400 mark

[unassuming]

401 new covid+ cases reported today, not good, not good.

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[t_dot]

Are you worried about the economy if there's another knee jerk lockdown? Or are you worried about the actual COVID-19 cases? I' m actually curious, I'm not trying to be provocative.

I'm a people manager for an essential business. I only mention this because I have been monitoring COVID case numbers, and any information that has been made available regarding the pandemic, due to the fact that I'm responsible for my worker's health while they are at work. As pointed out in a previous 'COVID #' thread, the number of deaths are not trending the way they were in March, April and May. For instance, there has been chatter about the 'numbers going up' for a few week now, but across the country (from the info that I've seen) only 3 people died yesterday, all in Quebec.

I we use the framework that the government used during the first lockdown, the amount of deaths trailed about 7-14 days and the percentage was quite a bit higher than other respiratory illnesses. The cases and deaths were increasing exponentially, and the lockdown was called for so that the ICUs and hospitals were not over run. In this new 'resurgence' the deaths are not following. So much so that on the Ontario COVID page, the daily deaths do not even show up. Instead, they list total deaths broken down into different categories.

As other people have pointed out (and were quickly attacked) the amount of people being tested on a daily basis is much. much greater than at the beginning of COVID. Doug Ford himself would often comment about testing numbers in the spring. The target was 10,000, and the health units couldn't hit that target for quite some time. That means for all of the 'big number' days of the spring (500 plus cases) they were only testing around 7-9k people a day. Furthermore (taken directly from Doug Ford's words) the general public was not allowed to be tested. The testing was concentrated on LTC facilities, and in hospitals, on patients who had been admitted with COVID like symptoms. This meant the percentage of positives to tests was much higher. Today, they are testing 30,000 plus people a day, which means the actual percentages of positive cases is only around 1% per day. This context is often left out of news stories and scared-mom-posts on Facebook.

I definitely have strong feelings about COVID, but I've left them out of this post, as I don't want to be seen as a tinfoil hat guy. However, I would add the comment that in any situation if you are only looking at one POV, you are not serving yourself or getting the whole picture. There are plenty of scientists and doctors who have much less foreboding. These people are not crackpots, but well regarded doctors and professors. Ask yourself why are they not being quoted or being asked to write articles for mainstream media.

Personally, I having a hard time with my fellow citizens who are ready to give up, and feel that the second lockdown is inevitable.

 

[squeezer]

The line up in most COVID clinics are long and most with symptoms. I know this for a fact. Dougy will have no choice but to implement more and more restrictions if the numbers continue to rise and not go down.

Sorry Tdot, I'm shining up a new tin hat for you. LOL

 

[IM469]

As viruses tend to spread exponentially. 100 to 200 in about a week 200 to 400 in about another week. Chances are we are at least a week behind testing the latest leap.

I can see another shutdown looming unless they can teach a basic science course to a segment of the population that currently either don't know or don't give a fuck anybody but themselves.

 

[sp free]

As viruses tend to spread exponentially. 100 to 200 in about a week 200 to 400 in about another week. Chances are we are at least a week behind testing the latest leap.

I can see another shutdown looming unless they can teach a basic science course to a segment of the population that currently either don't know or don't give a fuck anybody but themselves.

Who is doing this? Everywhere I go everyone is masked up, using sanitizer, keeping away from each other.

This “selfish spreader” idea is complete bullshit.

Schools are open. Planes continue to land with infected people on them every single day.

We can’t stop this virus anymore than you can stop the common cold, or the flu from getting around every year.

People aren’t dying. They get sick, they get over it, life goes on. Sure some people will die and some may have other problems, and some may get it again.

Welcome to life.

 

[t_dot]

Have you seen what's happening in Australia? I would be freaking out if I was down there. Our democratically elected leaders can turn into dictators quickly. I hope that doesn't make it's way up here.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Have you seen what's happening in Australia? I would be freaking out if I was down there. Our democratically elected leaders can turn into dictators quickly. I hope that doesn't make it's way up here.

It will with the naive conformists above.

 

[squeezer]

So nice to see we have a group of epidemiologist right here on Terb. Why are we not saving the average Canadian family tax dollars and do away with the high priced doctors and use the dopes, sorry folks right here?

 

[jcpro]

I hear the media and the politicians constantly pontificating, berating and threatening. Yet, today I saw a rush hour bus go by. Completely packed with passengers- standing room only. No social distancing, shoulder to shoulder, packed like sardines. Yep, it's all them people partying that are responsible. Close the country down. What a fucking, pathetic province we live in- led by complete and useless jackasses.

 

[basketcase]

Are you worried about the economy if there's another knee jerk lockdown? ...

The economy can recover. Dead people can't.

 

[basketcase]

I hear the media and the politicians constantly pontificating, berating and threatening. Yet, today I saw a rush hour bus go by. Completely packed with passengers- standing room only. No social distancing, shoulder to shoulder, packed like sardines. Yep, it's all them people partying that are responsible. Close the country down. What a fucking, pathetic province we live in- led by complete and useless jackasses.

From a fiscal conservative point of view where economy comes first (which typically appeals to you), it makes sense to okay public transit as the majority of ridership is people commuting to and from work while partying is entertainment and not essential. Do you want the TTC shut down or significantly restricted (which would require more buses and subways)?

And absolutely the TTC should be fining riders without masks unless they provide actual medical documentation (in which case they should be given a brochure for wheeltrans or uber).

I don't have much of an issue with bare faced people outdoors keeping a distance from each other. Last I checked, there hasn't been a confirmed case of outdoor transmission without extended close contact.

 

[jcpro]

From a fiscal conservative point of view where economy comes first (which typically appeals to you), it makes sense to okay public transit as the majority of ridership is people commuting to and from work while partying is entertainment and not essential. Do you want the TTC shut down or significantly restricted (which would require more buses and subways)?

And absolutely the TTC should be fining riders without masks unless they provide actual medical documentation (in which case they should be given a brochure for wheeltrans or uber).

I don't have much of an issue with bare faced people outdoors keeping a distance from each other. Last I checked, there hasn't been a confirmed case of outdoor transmission without extended close contact.

My point being, in the time of the supposed pandemic, you should not pack the city bus to the capacity.

 

[t_dot]

My point being, in the time of the supposed pandemic, you should not pack the city bus to the capacity.

I totally agree. More buses etc. would come out of the government's budgets. They can't have that. It's ok for them to worry about money/profits when it comes to the ttc/metrolinks, but it's not ok for small businesses to do the same.

 

[t_dot]

The economy can recover. Dead people can't.

Again, who's dying? Even in the thick of it, the vast majority were people in their 80s and 90s. Sad to be sure, as no one should have to go out like that, but at this point you can't use the cloud of fear that was employed back in March/April that everyone is vulnerable. At this point, if a plan isn't in place to protect the LTC facilities and other vulnerable places is that our fault? At a certain point these 'leaders' will have to face the music and I think that is a big part of why they are prolonging the fear. They all dropped the ball bigtime and they expect us to pay for it.

And no matter what Justin Trudeau tells you, don't buy into this whole 'the economy will recover' business. Certain sectors are decimated by this, and will be for a long while. The economy is just hanging on by a thread and another pointless lockdown will kick it right in the balls.

It's amazing to me how little we hold our politicians to account these days. Even in Canada people are too focused on Trump, and the shit he's saying. Questioning every word. Why don't they have any real questions for Trudeau or Patty Hajdu or Dougy. Like i said above, I have been following this closely from early days and even in the moment I couldn't believe how easy the press was going on them. These people made major fuck ups that lead to lots and lots of deaths, but just 'move along, nothing to see here.'

 

[t_dot]

So nice to see we have a group of epidemiologist right here on Terb. Why are we not saving the average Canadian family tax dollars and do away with the high priced doctors and use the dopes, sorry folks right here?

It may shock you to learn, Justin and Dougy aren't epidemiologists either. They consult with doctors and make their decisions based on those consultations. What I'm trying to point out is, what happens when another doctor with equal or sometimes more impressive medical credentials has an alternative point of view to these 'expert doctors'? The normal scientific practice is to review and discuss information/findings and have some sort of academic debate. In COVID the practice is to shame and silence the alternative points of view which I find quite troubling.

If you went to two doctors and one told you that you were going to die in 3 weeks, and the other told you that you would live for another 30 years. Both doctors went to Ivy League schools and had similar levels of experience, wouldn't you be curious why the two people came to such different conclusions? This is what's happening in COVID now. Some people that are being cast as crazy conspiracy theorists are actually highly respected doctors and they are being canceled/silenced because their take on what's happening doesn't fit into the narrative. That is very scary to me, and I'm surprised it's not to you.

 

[squeezer]

It may shock you to learn, Justin and Dougy aren't epidemiologists either. They consult with doctors and make their decisions based on those consultations. What I'm trying to point out is, what happens when another doctor with equal or sometimes more impressive medical credentials has an alternative point of view to these 'expert doctors'? The normal scientific practice is to review and discuss information/findings and have some sort of academic debate. In COVID the practice is to shame and silence the alternative points of view which I find quite troubling.

If you went to two doctors and one told you that you were going to die in 3 weeks, and the other told you that you would live for another 30 years. Both doctors went to Ivy League schools and had similar levels of experience, wouldn't you be curious why the two people came to such different conclusions? This is what's happening in COVID now. Some people that are being cast as crazy conspiracy theorists are actually highly respected doctors and they are being canceled/silenced because their take on what's happening doesn't fit into the narrative. That is very scary to me, and I'm surprised it's not to you.

First off Justin and Dougy are basing their decisions on the science, not from their own thoughts and brain farts. Secondly, 99% of the time the doctor with the second contrary opinion is a doctor in a completely unrelated field. A perfect example is Trumpfart replacing a true expert like Fauci with a hick like Scot Atlas. Why, because Scot Atlas's message fits Trumpfarts narrative. Atlas is possibly a brilliant accredited neuroradiologist but in reality, can't hold a candle to Fauci when it comes to viruses because it is not his field.

All these folks dying around the world, every country shutting down their economies yet you have the deniers still grasping at straws to put others in danger. I guess until it hits close to home, nothing will change the bullshit some like to spew out because the truth is inconvenient.

 

[t_dot]

First off Justin and Dougy are basing their decisions on the science, not from their own thoughts and brain farts. Secondly, 99% of the time the doctor with the second contrary opinion is a doctor in a completely unrelated field. A perfect example is Trumpfart replacing a true expert like Fauci with a hick like Scot Atlas. Why, because Scot Atlas's message fits Trumpfarts narrative. Atlas is possibly a brilliant accredited neuroradiologist but in reality, can't hold a candle to Fauci when it comes to viruses because it is not his field.

All these folks dying around the world, every country shutting down their economies yet you have the deniers still grasping at straws to put others in danger. I guess until it hits close to home, nothing will change the bullshit some like to spew out because the truth is inconvenient.

You just proved my point. This is a political issue, not based on science. Because, as I pointed out previously, there are plenty of scientists and doctors that feel the lockdowns are an over reaction. And plenty of doctors who feel the numbers and models are highly exaggerated. Why are their voices being silenced. Why are they being canceled and shamed the second they raise a point contrary to the party line? Any discussion regarding this subject always digresses to Trump within the first minute.

Also, do you know anyone that's had COVID? I personally know 3 confirmed cases. Their ages ranged from 20 - 55. Two of them did not even know they had it, and were only tested either due to a close contact or due to their job position. The one that suffered symptoms was the 55 year old. And he experienced something akin to flu. He was back to work in 2 weeks. Can you tell me, where these blue collar Canadian guys all plants pushing Trumps agenda?

 

[Cheeta]

Number of testing in Canada is way below what we should be doing. It is federal and provincial faults that after 6 months we can only muster to do 35K in Ontario and results are delayed.

 

[squeezer]

You just proved my point. This is a political issue, not based on science. Because, as I pointed out previously, there are plenty of scientists and doctors that feel the lockdowns are an over reaction. And plenty of doctors who feel the numbers and models are highly exaggerated. Why are their voices being silenced. Why are they being canceled and shamed the second they raise a point contrary to the party line? Any discussion regarding this subject always digresses to Trump within the first minute.

Also, do you know anyone that's had COVID? I personally know 3 confirmed cases. Their ages ranged from 20 - 55. Two of them did not even know they had it, and were only tested either due to a close contact or due to their job position. The one that suffered symptoms was the 55 year old. And he experienced something akin to flu. He was back to work in 2 weeks. Can you tell me, where these blue collar Canadian guys all plants pushing Trumps agenda?

No I am far from proving your point. Stick to the facts. Where on earth do you see it's political here in Canada? You have provincial and federal in lockstep. Perhaps in Trumpfart land who is desperately trying to maintain power after killing 200K people. You see what you want to see and rationalize it in your mind in the efforts to not inconvenience your lifestyle, I get it. I wish it didn't exist so I could go back to banging a different girl almost every night but I am not about to play COVID roulette.

I too know quite a few and 2 of them have died, the others have been a mixed bag of serious complications to sniffles. I have an employee who has lost 2 loved ones outside of Canada to COVID.

You need to speak to doctors working in the COVID area of the hospitals or doctors working at the COVID clinic. if you're going to listen to a cardiologist or a neuroradiologist to shape your thinking of a pandemic, I can't help you.

Couple more things! Where is it in Doug's and Justin's interest to promote a hoax or exaggerate a virus? Think about it before you answer. Put yourself in their shoes, WHAT possible upside is there to fool the entire country? Not to mention every other country that has ruined their economy. MY LORD, these leaders must secretly be told by a superior power? Did Trump pray for this to happen right before an election?

Stay tuned and don't be surprised when you hear about new restrictions coming!!!

Ontario slashes gathering sizes for entire province as alarm bells ring over COVID-19 spike

Ontario Premier Doug Ford has expanded new social gathering restrictions across the entire province, saying that "alarm bells are ringing" as COVID-19 cases continue to surge.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

 

[t_dot]

No I am far from proving your point. Stick to the facts. Where on earth do you see it's political here in Canada? You have provincial and federal in lockstep. Perhaps in Trumpfart land who is desperately trying to maintain power after killing 200K people. You see what you want to see and rationalize it in your mind in the efforts to not inconvenience your lifestyle, I get it. I wish it didn't exist so I could go back to banging a different girl almost every night but I am not about to play COVID roulette.

I too know quite a few and 2 of them have died, the others have been a mixed bag of serious complications to sniffles. I have an employee who has lost 2 loved ones outside of Canada to COVID.

You need to speak to doctors working in the COVID area of the hospitals or doctors working at the COVID clinic. if you're going to listen to a cardiologist or a neuroradiologist to shape your thinking of a pandemic, I can't help you.

Couple more things! Where is it in Doug's and Justin's interest to promote a hoax or exaggerate a virus? Think about it before you answer. Put yourself in their shoes, WHAT possible upside is there to fool the entire country? Not to mention every other country that has ruined their economy. MY LORD, these leaders must secretly be told by a superior power? Did Trump pray for this to happen right before an election?

Stay tuned and don't be surprised when you hear about new restrictions coming!!!

Ontario slashes gathering sizes for entire province as alarm bells ring over COVID-19 spike

Ontario Premier Doug Ford has expanded new social gathering restrictions across the entire province, saying that "alarm bells are ringing" as COVID-19 cases continue to surge.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Again, I mention doctors, you mention Trump. And saying our leaders don't have a political steak in this is naive.

- Trudeau and his team were laughing off COVID into the second week of March. They hoped it would go away while hundreds of thousands of Canadians left the country on March Break. Where did our 'epidemic' largely come from?... People returning from March Break and not isolating/quarantining. That is a fact. Returning travelers were not told to isolate until April 1st. That is taken from Canadian news sources who were interviewing people at the airport. Even then, the people were not directly told, they had to read a customs document they were presented with upon their return. Some didn't even see it. Who controls the airports/borders?... The federal gov.

- Doug Ford canceled inspections of LTC facilities. Over 80% of the deaths in Ontario occurred in LTC sites. He is desperate to keep the idea that 'it could get anyone anywhere' going, otherwise he's the guy that killed everyone's grannies.

Above are a few political decisions that would have greatly changed the outcome for us, that no doubt the two administrations would very much like you to forget.

Also to think world leaders do not conspire with each other, or align to further their personal/political interests is ignorant. I'm sorry it just is. Open a history book and it will not take long to find several examples of countries working together to influence others for their own gain.

I'm sticking just to facts here, but if you exercise some critical thinking on what has transpired over the past year I would be surprised if anyone didn't come to the conclusion that there are some missing pieces with the official story.