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mandrill

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South America?!..... There hasn't been a successful insurgency since your buddies the Sandinistas won in Nicaragua in the early 80's.

All those dudes were involved with massive nation wide liberation movements involving millions of people. The "armed resistance" in North America is a few thousand idiots who refuse to take COVID vaccines, probably led by Trump and the QAnon Shaman.
 

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Secondly,
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.

3 squares a day and a roof over his head for the rest of his life at the tax payers' expense. The people he killed....dead. Good deal.

Any other cop in any other or in the same jurisdiction would have shot him. Justifiably.
No.The cop's duty was to arrest the perp alive if possible and the cop did his duty. Gotta respect that.
 

dirtyharry555

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No.The cop's duty was to arrest the perp alive if possible and the cop did his duty. Gotta respect that.
No. The cop's duty is to keep the public safe.

Lam fucked up yet was extremely lucky that the perp wasn't actually armed.

If he had been armed, Lam would be dead and likely many more people.
 

dirtyharry555

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South America?!..... There hasn't been a successful insurgency since your buddies the Sandinistas won in Nicaragua in the early 80's.

All those dudes were involved with massive nation wide liberation movements involving millions of people. The "armed resistance" in North America is a few thousand idiots who refuse to take COVID vaccines, probably led by Trump and the QAnon Shaman.
I wouldn't consider 132 million Americans and 4+ million Canadians a few thousand idiots. Anyone who owns a gun would be de facto resistance in any major event requiring self-preservation.

66 million Americans and 8 million Canadians didn't get vaccinated. Many that did, only did so in order to stay employed.

The USA wouldn't require a liberation movement of any kind. No military in the world can conquer the USA in the first place, unless they completely level the entire country the way Israel has levelled Gaza.
 
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Secondly,
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.

3 squares a day and a roof over his head for the rest of his life at the tax payers' expense. The people he killed....dead. Good deal.

Any other cop in any other or in the same jurisdiction would have shot him. Justifiably.
You know that how? and yes likely he’d have justified it, I said as much. Doesn’t change the fact he was unarmed, and thus Lam made the right decision. The part you’re missing was “kill me”. All cops are also aware of suicide by cop…And as much as Poorboy doesn’t like it, it also made news in the States ( see link above and expert opinion there ) and the UK. So unless you think the TPS has control over foreign media……..
Get down,” the officer, identified by sources as Ken Lam, shouts repeatedly.
“Kill me,” the man responds. “I have a gun in my pocket.”
 
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Usual suspect!
This guy went and purchased this high-powered rifle about two weeks before he went on this killing rampage. If proper check was done on him, he would never have been allowed to buy that weapon in the first place, but the gun lobby in the United States feels that that would be a violation of his Second Amendment rights.
As long as this mindset continues, these kinds of murderous rampage’s will continue.
Have you read Maines firearms laws? There is a provision for those that are committed…As well as for those that might be a threat to conjugal partners. in fact many states now have some. You can make the argument they aren’t strong enough, but you can’t make the argument that the gun lobby in this case/topic are against back ground checks for mental health.
 
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Not getting younger

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....And how many times do we hear after a mass shooting the Police saying, " He was known to us" or " He was on our radar. " The whole system seems clogged with red tape and hesitation...which gets people killed.
You mean like Nova Scotia? When the left lost its shit as they always do. Howled for knee jerk reactions as they always do, only to find out in days to come. There were multiple warnings, the guns had been smuggled from the US, and that the RCMP screwed up huge?

Maybe if the left here wasn’t always getting in the way of needed change like the nra does there, wasn’t always screaming for bans or useless registries or had bothered to listen to anyone. The politicians
-would have funded police better.. including the RCMP
-cracked down on gangs years and years ago instead.
-Made some changes to our weak justice system, or those out on bail….

years and years and years ago.

And all the people killed on the streets of Toronto by guns and more, in Nova Scotia killed by guns and more. Would be alive today and all that blood wouldn’t be on the lefts and their hands.
 
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mandrill

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I wouldn't consider 132 million Americans and 4+ million Canadians a few thousand idiots. Anyone who owns a gun would be de facto resistance in any major event requiring self-preservation.

66 million Americans and 8 million Canadians didn't get vaccinated. Many that did, only did so in order to stay employed.

The USA wouldn't require a liberation movement of any kind. No military in the world can conquer the USA in the first place, unless they completely level the entire country the way Israel has levelled Gaza.
C'mon. We both know the "resistance" would look at lot like January 6 or the KKKonvoy. A few thousand dumb, blue collar guys and some even dumber neo nazis. Most of the "freedom fighters" would be so fat that they couldn't couch their AK and AR knock offs properly.
 

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C'mon. We both know the "resistance" would look at lot like January 6 or the KKKonvoy. A few thousand dumb, blue collar guys and some even dumber neo nazis. Most of the "freedom fighters" would be so fat that they couldn't couch their AK and AR knock offs properly.
Your racist stereotypes are archaic.

The largest army in the world is in China with 2 million military personnel.

132 million people with guns versus 2 million in guerilla warfare. Easy victory for the 132 million.

Likewise, the US military couldn't roll over its own citizens without making the entire country uninhabitable. Which was kinda the whole point of the 2nd Amendment to begin with.
 
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mandrill

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Your racist stereotypes are archaic.

The largest army in the world is in China with 2 million military personnel.

132 million people with guns versus 2 million in guerilla warfare. Easy victory for the 132 million.

Likewise, the US military couldn't roll over its own citizens without making the entire country uninhabitable. Which was kinda the whole point of the 2nd Amendment to begin with.
That's not "racist".

Point being that most people with or without guns in the USA would think the "Resistance" is a ludicrous farce performed by idiots whose idea of "Freedom" is to strut around MacDonald's for their 3rd lunch of the day with an AR slung around their obese guts.

All the US Army (or the FBI) would have to do to suppress the "Uprising" is to wait until 12:00 noon for the "Freedom Fighters" to waddle out of their "Deep Cover" and line up for those extra fries lunch specials at Burger King.
 

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That's not "racist".

Point being that most people with or without guns in the USA would think the "Resistance" is a ludicrous farce performed by idiots whose idea of "Freedom" is to strut around MacDonald's for their 3rd lunch of the day with an AR slung around their obese guts.

All the US Army (or the FBI) would have to do to suppress the "Uprising" is to wait until 12:00 noon for the "Freedom Fighters" to waddle out of their "Deep Cover" and line up for those extra fries lunch specials at Burger King.
Now THAT was funny.
 

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Have you read Maines firearms laws? There is a provision for those that are committed…As well as for those that might be a threat to conjugal partners. in fact many states now have some. You can make the argument they aren’t strong enough, but you can’t make the argument that the gun lobby in this case/topic are against back ground checks for mental health.
This person should never have been allowed to purchase a weapon, even his former employers in the military recommended that this man should never own a weapon.
Despite that and his mental health issues, he was still allowed, not only to purchase a weapon but a high powered weapon, capable of mass killing.
I don’t mind people owning weapons for various reasons, but if a proper background check was done on this man, he would never have been allowed to buy that weapon.
 

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You know that how? and yes likely he’d have justified it, I said as much. Doesn’t change the fact he was unarmed, and thus Lam made the right decision. The part you’re missing was “kill me”. All cops are also aware of suicide by cop…And as much as Poorboy doesn’t like it, it also made news in the States ( see link above and expert opinion there ) and the UK. So unless you think the TPS has control over foreign media……..

Have you asked an operational Toronto Police officer about Lam yet? Didn't think so. Lam can spot whether or not someone has a pistol pointed at him from 30 ft away under extreme stress, yet you accuse me of thinking I'm superhuman? You just can't bear to find out the truth, can you? It's as if you haven't even seen the video. Minassian draws out towards Lam several times. You're telling me that Lam could spot that the item wasn't a pistol with all that movement at that distance? Now that is what I would call superhuman. Lam should have shot as soon as Minassian was drawing on him as if he was going to shoot Lam as he had already proven he was willing to kill. Too bad Lam couldn't even if he wanted to because he didn't have a bullet in the chamber according to the rank and file. If you were actually a member of a range somewhere and showed up to shoot once and a while, where police rent for training and were to ask someone about Lam, maybe you would would find out the truth.

In case you weren't aware, most newspapers are left leaning and will find any way to make not using a firearm look good. The Guardian being one of them, which they freely admit. You know, the same media that accused Israel of bombing a hospital and taking Hamas' word as truth without any verification, causing protests and riots around the world.

There was a female Vancouver police officer shot a suspect in the leg a couple of years ago. There were uninformed people out there, just like you would believe who genuinely think she made a split second choice to shoot the offender in the leg. The fact of the matter was she was under extreme stress and missed her centre of mass target. She did the best she could, but those who genuinely believe she aimed for the leg are idiots.

Vancouver BC policewoman shoots armed man....in the leg. - Current Events -Non-political discussion of the topics in the news - City-Data Forum
 
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There's no government stockpile of millions of rifles in the event of civil disorder or invasion. By the time you need them if you are being invaded, it's too late to start producing them.
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Who do you think is going to invade us?
 

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Of course the odds favour someone, be it military or competitive shooter who has training against some random civilian. What kind of stupid question is that?
All you are doing is proving that having more armed civilians wouldn't have helped in this case.
 

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Who do you think is going to invade us?
Hopefully no one, but by the time you start preparing, it is too late. As well, as Canada is a member of NATO, they are obligated to go to war if one of the partner nations is attacked. Canada does not have enough equipment to properly equip their soldiers. That is a documented fact.
 

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... Things may have ended much better for the 90 murdered at the Bataclan in `15 if a percentage of the slaughtered had been armed....
Yeah, a bunch of extra people would have been shot by other bystanders. Nice.
 
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