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What revisionism. Lam recognized that Minassian didn't have a gun so there was no need to shoot.
There's no government stockpile of millions of rifles in the event of civil disorder or invasion. By the time you need them if you are being invaded, it's too late to start producing them.
Canada's military cannot defend this country and cannot protect it's troops overseas. Canada is an embarrassment to NATO. Russia has lost over 2,000 tanks in Ukraine and is still fighting. You know how many tanks Canada has? Not even 100 because we gave 8 to the Ukrainians. They were probably the only 8 working tanks Canada had because most of them are sidelined due to neglected maintenance.
You may think we don't need more guns, but Colt Canada is going gangbusters and billions will be spent over the next few years rearming Canada.
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How about you go find a Toronto Police officer and ask instead of depending on a leftist newspaper. Oh wait, you would have to get outside and away from your keyboard.
I've been accused of being superhuman, but a sub par police officer under extreme stress dealing with a mass murderer has superb vision and can distinguish whether someone has a handgun from 30 feet away? Get real.
Also, explain why Lam never received any official award from any level of government or his own police force.
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Of course the odds favour someone, be it military or competitive shooter who has training against some random civilian. What kind of stupid question is that?
What a crock of shit. And sadly for you clearly illustrates how little you actually know.
First.
The affects of adrenaline and cortisol had to be pointed out to you. Be that actual shootouts between officer Mercy and Preston ( both “crack shots and hunters). If you were any kind of expert, that wouldn’t have been necessary. Thankfully, slowly. You came to acknowledge them….
Secondly,
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.
Thirdly.
While he would have likely or may ( who knows) have been able to justify it in his report. Point blank given your an expert. What would he have said, in his report to justify it, so the SIU wouldn’t rip him apart. Maybe charge him with murder as they did officer Forcillo. I’m actually asking, hoping you will answer. And subsequent to that, how does the adrenaline and combat stress affect anyone’s ability to write reports afterwards?
Fourth.
I’ve mentioned audio exculpatory symptoms in high stress situations. It’s very common. Like adrenaline and cortisol from your responses it’s fairly apparent you have no idea what that is, or what that is like either.
Fifth.
How do you know there isn’t a letter of recommendation in Lams file or are you just making shit up?
Sixth
Audio exculpatory. Back to Lam
1) calmly turned his siren off. Why would he do that?
2) Lam to his credit heard Mannasian say “kill me”. Aka suicide by cop.
So tell us all, how little you know about policing and various human reactions to incredible stress, without telling us. And why, the general public shouldn’t have CCW.
When Toronto Suspect Said ‘Kill Me,’ an Officer Put Away His Gun (Published 2018)
Constable Ken Lam turned off his siren, calmly ordered the man to get down and placed him under arrest. It was “a great outcome in a horrible situation,” an expert said.
Arresting officer in Toronto van attack says he's no hero
"He wants to make sure that everyone understands he was not a hero, he was merely doing a job."
macleans.ca
Lastly, maybe I missed it. If you weren’t arguing CCW given those post and if so “my bad”. What were you arguing?
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You are another keyboard warrior who has never been in a fight just like basketcase with no practical knowledge of high stress and no practical knowledge of how the military trains. I never said I was an expert. I said I have practical knowledge, unlike yourself of experiencing high stress. You sound like some guy who has a side interest in law who grew up in a nice neighbourhood who never had to deal with someone trying to take something you have or challenging you because they don't like the way you look when all you're trying to do is walk home. That's why you also think Lam can distinguish if someone has a firearm pointed at him from 30 feet away under extreme stress.What a crock of shit. And sadly for you clearly illustrates how little you actually know.
First.
The affects of adrenaline and cortisol had to be pointed out to you. Be that actual shootouts between officer Mercy and Preston ( both “crack shots and hunters). If you were any kind of expert, that wouldn’t have been necessary. Thankfully, slowly. You came to acknowledge them….
Secondly,
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.
Thirdly.
While he would have likely or may ( who knows) have been able to justify it in his report. Point blank given your an expert. What would he have said, in his report to justify it, so the SIU wouldn’t rip him apart. Maybe charge him with murder as they did officer Forcillo. I’m actually asking, hoping you will answer. And subsequent to that, how does the adrenaline and combat stress affect anyone’s ability to write reports afterwards?
Fourth.
I’ve mentioned audio exculpatory symptoms in high stress situations. It’s very common. Like adrenaline and cortisol from your responses it’s fairly apparent you have no idea what that is, or what that is like either.
Fifth.
How do you know there isn’t a letter of recommendation in Lams file or are you just making shit up?
Sixth
Audio exculpatory. Back to Lam
1) calmly turned his siren off. Why would he do that?
2) Lam to his credit heard Mannasian say “kill me”. Aka suicide by cop.
So tell us all, how little you know about policing and various human reactions to incredible stress, without telling us. And why, the general public shouldn’t have CCW.
When Toronto Suspect Said ‘Kill Me,’ an Officer Put Away His Gun (Published 2018)
Constable Ken Lam turned off his siren, calmly ordered the man to get down and placed him under arrest. It was “a great outcome in a horrible situation,” an expert said.www.nytimes.com
Arresting officer in Toronto van attack says he's no hero
"He wants to make sure that everyone understands he was not a hero, he was merely doing a job."
Lastly, maybe I missed it. If you weren’t arguing CCW given those post and if so “my bad”. What were you arguing?
Shooting someone who killed 11 people and injured 15 and is pointing at you like he has a firearm is not execution. It's protecting yourself and the public.
Also it appears you can't even be bothered to do an open source search to see police officers do not give statements or write notes for up to 48 hours.
11 Step-by-Step Procedures Taken After a Police Shooting | HuffPost Latest News
Critical Incident Interviews: Is the 48-Hour Delay Still Good Advice? - Force Science
Forcillo committed murder. Yatim was not actively killing anyone, and was contained in the streetcar. There was no reason for Forcillo to go in the streetcar and advance on Yatim.
Find a Toronto Police officer on the street and ask about Lam. He's a pariah. Lam did not do handle the situation properly. It just worked out in his favour and the situation was spun to make him look good.
And why do you keep continuously pushing me about CCW? Don't you know the laws? It is not permitted in Canada.
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It’s a simple question you won’t answer. I’m not “pushing” you per se. Clarification of what you were initially “arguing” because those post, very strongly suggest you felt we should have it. Obviously despite being a gun owner I am strongly against it.
In one post, you went after someone because it takes police so long to respond in rural areas. That strongly suggest you think citizens should be armed…
In the second, you came after me, saying “ you think police or military shouldn’t carry either”..
As for me just being a key board that doesn’t know what I’m talking about….think hard about that.
and let me remind you.
You needed reminding of combat stress, many times.
You have no clue what audio exculpatory is
You made shit up about Lam, and have no clue.
Can’t answer why he turned the siren off
Can’t answer what few key words would save his ass from the SIU
You’d have executed him
Can’t recognize trained techniques. Or de-escalation
Etc and so on.
And any body can google those links once they know what key words to use, and paste the link. You could have simply said a few key things in your own words. Aka Einstein, I don’t need open source or google.. You obviously do.
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I don't need reminders about combat stress, but you keep bringing it up.
If you knew what it was like to be in a stressful situation, you would know you do not always do everything in the proper order, can do things wrong and can experience a delay in doing things. Lam turned the siren off so he could be heard after giving Minassian way too many opportunities to be killed by him if he had a real gun.
Go find a Toronto Police Officer and ask for verification about Lam, which I have said you should do many times. Don't trust me. You'll get more of the real story from an operational Toronto Police Officer than the newspaper articles.
I don't deal with the SIU, so why do you think I would know the key words they are looking for?
If it was legal to carry a firearm in public and I was licensed to do so, I would have likely attempted to engage Minassian and attempted to shoot him to stop him from killing anyone else. Because I'm an ordinary guy who is not immune to combat stress and don't have super vision like Lam, it is highly unlikely I would have been able to distinguish from 30 feet away he was not pointing a real firearm at me. That's not execution. As well, just because someone is shot, does not mean they will die. That seems to escape you as you believe shooting him is execution, which is fatal. Given that Minassian had just committed mass murder, and it was not known whether or not he could have gotten into the vehicle and driven off and ran over more people, there is not a court in the land that would have convicted me.
I know lots of people who own firearms. And what they do with them most of the time is nothing. Even if you go shoot once a week, the guns still spend the vast majority of the time idle. Gun ranges have thousands of members, but only a handful of the membership shows up and actually shoots. Based on things you have written, I'd say you don't shoot that much. If you did, you would have known more about competition shooters and that it is not unusual for the military to get training from them for their specialized teams.
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The last thing I do is live in fear. I`ve been shot at and also narrowly missed being stabbed in the chest by a wacko woman. I`ve known three people that were murdered. No bogeyman is coming up my driveway. Things may have ended much better for the 90 murdered at the Bataclan in `15 if a percentage of the slaughtered had been armed. Ever see the movie, Eagles of Death Metal Nos Amis, a doc. on that massacre? When seconds count, the police are minutes, if you`re lucky, away. The days of living in a Leave it to Beaver, Happy Days, world are sadly long gone my friend. Getting guns away from the mentally ill, I don`t know, many other things can be a deadly weapon, guns mostly effective however. With the substantial increase in mental health issues in the last several years that could be a seriously improbable thing.
Further support to having the ability to protect yourself:
Heroic father saves daughter's life during Hamas attack (msn.com)
Mentally ill people shouldn't have firearms. Should there be background checks and should the police be seizing firearms if there is domestic violence and mental health issues? I believe there should be and there are procedures to do so in Canada. That's only one component though. The police need to do their job and seize the firearms if they know about them and have evidence. People need to report illegal activities. The Nova Scotia shooting would have never happened if the neighbours had a backbone and were willing to provide evidence that could be used in court instead of hearsay. The firearms were illegal and came from the United States, so there was no record of them. Wortman already had his license pulled, so the police couldn't use that angle to say he might have unregistered firearms. People have rights, so the police couldn't just go in and search Wortman's place without evidence. The town should have properly funded the police instead of running understaffed to save money. If they did, the police may have been able to devote undercover resources to gather the evidence through surveillance and having someone go in as an undercover source.
Neighbour who warned RCMP about N.S. shooter's domestic violence says she was 'scared to death' of him | CBC Radio
People like basketcase keep offering a simple one dimensional solution saying to ban firearms, but a ban would have done nothing in Nova Scotia because the firearms were already illegal.
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Like I said, no agreed on definition of mass shooting.So what have the rich the well off and powerful done for the blue collar workers that built America? Answer. Not much but lip service look no further than the rust belt. . Many in the military have similar sentiments especially Vietnam vets. Where’s there’s smoke, there’s often fire.
regarding “mass murders”. If someone is inclined to verify rhis, knock yourself out. I’ve always just looked at per capita numbers.
Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations | Britannica
Mass shooting, as defined by the U.S. FBI, an event in which one or more individuals are ‘actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.’www.britannica.com
Note that the FBI defines "mass shootings" differently than the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition of "mass killings".
Mother Jones has two different definitions used, one before 2012 and one after.
Other investigators use different definitions, many of which involve not counting the shooting as a mass shooting if it takes place during another crime (A robbery that gets three people killed isn't a mass shooting in this definition) and many of which involve number of people shot, not number of people killed (because an event where someone shoots 10 people but none of them end up dead probably should still count as a mass shooting).
There is no criminal statute in the US, as far as I am aware, that has "mass shooting" as a specific offense or even has "these deaths were done with a firearm vs some other weapon" as a specific sentencing or severity issue.
....And how many times do we hear after a mass shooting the Police saying, " He was known to us" or " He was on our radar. " The whole system seems clogged with red tape and hesitation...which gets people killed.
Usual suspect!
This guy went and purchased this high-powered rifle about two weeks before he went on this killing rampage. If proper check was done on him, he would never have been allowed to buy that weapon in the first place, but the gun lobby in the United States feels that that would be a violation of his Second Amendment rights.
As long as this mindset continues, these kinds of murderous rampage’s will continue.
This guy went and purchased this high-powered rifle about two weeks before he went on this killing rampage. If proper check was done on him, he would never have been allowed to buy that weapon in the first place, but the gun lobby in the United States feels that that would be a violation of his Second Amendment rights.
As long as this mindset continues, these kinds of murderous rampage’s will continue.
Secondly,What a crock of shit. And sadly for you clearly illustrates how little you actually know.
First.
The affects of adrenaline and cortisol had to be pointed out to you. Be that actual shootouts between officer Mercy and Preston ( both “crack shots and hunters). If you were any kind of expert, that wouldn’t have been necessary. Thankfully, slowly. You came to acknowledge them….
Secondly,
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.
Thirdly.
While he would have likely or may ( who knows) have been able to justify it in his report. Point blank given your an expert. What would he have said, in his report to justify it, so the SIU wouldn’t rip him apart. Maybe charge him with murder as they did officer Forcillo. I’m actually asking, hoping you will answer. And subsequent to that, how does the adrenaline and combat stress affect anyone’s ability to write reports afterwards?
Fourth.
I’ve mentioned audio exculpatory symptoms in high stress situations. It’s very common. Like adrenaline and cortisol from your responses it’s fairly apparent you have no idea what that is, or what that is like either.
Fifth.
How do you know there isn’t a letter of recommendation in Lams file or are you just making shit up?
Sixth
Audio exculpatory. Back to Lam
1) calmly turned his siren off. Why would he do that?
2) Lam to his credit heard Mannasian say “kill me”. Aka suicide by cop.
So tell us all, how little you know about policing and various human reactions to incredible stress, without telling us. And why, the general public shouldn’t have CCW.
When Toronto Suspect Said ‘Kill Me,’ an Officer Put Away His Gun (Published 2018)
Constable Ken Lam turned off his siren, calmly ordered the man to get down and placed him under arrest. It was “a great outcome in a horrible situation,” an expert said.
Arresting officer in Toronto van attack says he's no hero
"He wants to make sure that everyone understands he was not a hero, he was merely doing a job."
Lastly, maybe I missed it. If you weren’t arguing CCW given those post and if so “my bad”. What were you arguing?
in your estimation Lam should have executed him. Shot an unarmed person. When the fact of the matter is, with the benefit of hindsight we can see Lam made the right split second decision.
3 squares a day and a roof over his head for the rest of his life at the tax payers' expense. The people he killed....dead. Good deal.
Any other cop in any other or in the same jurisdiction would have shot him. Justifiably.
