2011. Obama announces a DOGE department and puts Joe Biden in charge of it

[JohnLarue]

Are you under the impression Stacy Abrams is a billionaire?

An NGO is close enough for a cheating witch

$2 billion in tax money was handed over in fiscal 2024 to the Power Forward Communities, an organization linked to Ms. Abrams. The group received only $100 in tax money in 2023, according to Mr. Zeldin.

Your insane view of Musk and what he is doing is fascinating.

your insane view of an audit is delusional

why are you so against audits of govt spending ?

You really think the US government put 2 billion dollars in Stacy Abrams's bank account, don't you?

An NGO is close enough for a cheating witch

$2 billion in tax money was handed over in fiscal 2024 to the Power Forward Communities, an organization linked to Ms. Abrams. The group received only $100 in tax money in 2023, according to Mr. Zeldin.

tax money was handed over to .............
what part of this do you not understand ?

What an interesting non-denial denial.

And yet you just ignore the debt bomb and pretend it does not exist
What an interesting non-denial denial.

you are not fooling anyone

 

[bver_hunter]

Unlike the Rashness of DOGE, The Obama Government conducted The Campaign to Cut waste in a very Concise manner:

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden speak about the Administration's ongoing effort to make government more accountable to the American people through The Campaign to Cut Waste. The Campaign To Cut Waste will build on the Accountable Government Initiative, led by OMB Director Jacob Lew and OMB's Deputy Director for Management and Federal Chief Performance Officer Jeffrey Zients, which has already tackled waste and inefficiency in many areas across government, cutting contracting spending for the first time in 13 years, identifying $3 billion in information technology savings, shutting down duplicative data centers and getting rid of excess federal real estate. This campaign continues the steps the administration has taken to date to reduce government waste and make government work better for the American people. http://www.whitehouse.gov/21stcenturygov

https://www.youtube.com/redirect?ev...w.whitehouse.gov/21stcenturygov&v=5hpd61WfMvk

We know that Musk screwed up big time in the manner that he blatantly shut down Civil Service Departments one after the other with the help of the most incompetent staffing!!
One example is that those Seniors and others such as handicapped individuals requiring this Social Security, have to either apply online or appear in person at the limited staffed offices. Their Identities can no longer be verified at the phone call centres. Several of these offices have been shut down, meaning that these Seniors or handicapped ones now have to travel some long distances to the limited number of offices. This is beyond ridiculousness!!

 

[Valcazar]

An NGO is close enough for a cheating witch

"a cheating witch" ?

My, we aren't even trying to pretend that this is about rational analysis anymore, are we?

why are you so against audits of govt spending ?

I'm not.
Where have I once expressed opposition to audits of government spending?

An NGO is close enough for a cheating witch

Broken robot on the cheating witch bit?
Funny.

 

[JohnLarue]

"a cheating witch" ?

My, we aren't even trying to pretend that this is about rational analysis anymore, are we?

pretend is not a word you should use
let us know when you are willing to stop pretending the debt bomb does not exist or matter

I'm not.
Where have I once expressed opposition to audits of government spending?

give it a rest
audits of government spending is what Musk and DOGE are doing
stop "pretending" this is not an audit

Broken robot on the cheating witch bit?
Funny.

there is nothing funny about STACY ABRAMS getting $2 B of taxpayers money

 

[Valcazar]

pretend is not a word you should use

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

give it a rest
audits of government spending is what Musk and DOGE are doing
stop "pretending" this is not an audit

I'm not pretending.
I'm stating.

there is nothing funny about STACY ABRAMS getting $2 B of taxpayers money

What's funny is you.

 

[JohnLarue]

I'm not pretending.
I'm stating.

and that is worthless

What's funny is you.

again you pretend there is not a debt bomb issue that requires fixing right now

 

[Valcazar]

and that is worthless

Not at all.
It is a statement that can be checked.
You could present evidence to counter it, for instance, instead of screaming about witches.

 

[JohnLarue]

Not at all.
It is a statement that can be checked.
You could present evidence to counter it, for instance, instead of screaming about witches.

nope

au·dit
/ˈôdət,ˈädət/

noun

1. an official inspection of an individual's or organization's accounts, typically by an independent body.
   "audits can't be expected to detect every fraud"

 

[Bucktee]

Also, the was no "DOGE". It was just an initiative.

That's why it didn't work. "Initiative" is political speak for inaction that sounds good.

All talk, no action.

 

[Frankfooter]

nope

au·dit
/ˈôdət,ˈädət/

noun

1. an official inspection of an individual's or organization's accounts, typically by an independent body.
   "audits can't be expected to detect every fraud"

How do you do an audit when you fire everyone?

 

[Valcazar]

nope

au·dit
/ˈôdət,ˈädət/

noun

1. an official inspection of an individual's or organization's accounts, typically by an independent body.
   "audits can't be expected to detect every fraud"

So you've moved away from your previous definition?
Interesting.

 

[DesRicardo]

That's why it didn't work. "Initiative" is political speak for inaction that sounds good.

All talk, no action.

DOGE is a lie though. They admitted after the election they couldn't cut $2 Trillion from the budget.

 

[JohnLarue]

So you've moved away from your previous definition?
Interesting.

so you will say just about anything to continue to pretend there is not an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud
Interesting.


doge is doing an audit,
deal with it

 

[Valcazar]

so you will say just about anything to continue to pretend there is not an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud
Interesting.

We haven't been discussing that.

 

[JohnLarue]

We haven't been discussing that.

what is wrong with you ?

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the SU govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

so yes we have been discussing the undeniable fact there is an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud

again you just pretend not to listen/ read what you do not want to deal with
just post a a laughing emoji and you get to ignore what you do not like
the maturity of a child

doge is doing an audit,
deal with it

 

[Frankfooter]

what is wrong with you ?

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the SU govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

so yes we have been discussing the undeniable fact there is an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud

again you just pretend not to listen/ read what you do not want to deal with
just post a a laughing emoji and you get to ignore what you do not like
the maturity of a child

doge is doing an audit,
deal with it

Elon wants to strip out that last bit of cash from the 90%.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1906742925645562360

 

[Valcazar]

so yes we have been discussing the undeniable fact there is an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud

No, we haven't.

You've brought it up as justification for DOGE being allowed to do illegal or unconstitutional actions.

But it hasn't been what we've been discussing.
Your delusion that anyone not agreeing with you about DOGE means they deny the existence of the debt is a construct of your derangements and obsessions.

 

[JohnLarue]

No, we haven't.

You've brought it up as justification for DOGE being allowed to do illegal or unconstitutional actions.

you are using circular reasoning
this is an audit
all organizations are subject to audits
there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about an audit

But it hasn't been what we've been discussing.

bullshit
you want to ring fence the discussion

Your delusion that anyone not agreeing with you about DOGE means they deny the existence of the debt is a construct of your derangements and obsessions.

it is simple logic
if DOGE does not identify and eliminate waste/ fraud the debt bomb is detonated

77 posts in and you have to acknowledge the debt bomb , let alone offer a solution

again you just ignore what you do not want to see and pretend you can call an audit illegal and unconstitutional

what is wrong with you ?

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the SU govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

so yes we have been discussing the undeniable fact there is an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud

again you just pretend not to listen/ read what you do not want to deal with
just post a a laughing emoji and you think you get to ignore what you do not like
the maturity of a child

doge is doing an audit,
deal with it

 

[Valcazar]

you are using circular reasoning
this is an audit
all organizations are subject to audits
there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about an audit

Let's try a logic puzzle.
An audit is legal.
Therefore anything done under the pretext of an audit is legal.

Yes or no?

bullshit
you want to ring fence the discussion

The "ring fence the discussion" spot on the bingo card!

it is simple logic
if DOGE does not identify and eliminate waste/ fraud the debt bomb is detonated

Nice.
So is it now "DOGE and DOGE only can do this and therefore any and all impediments to anything DOGE wants to do must be removed regardless of consequences"?
Or is it even remotely possible that there are other methods?

(We're still pretending you actually care about the debt and deficit.)

Also, let's go for the other interesting thought experiment.

All waste and fraud is removed from the Federal budget.
The Federal budget is still in deficit.
Therefore DOGE was a waste of time.

Yes/No?

77 posts in and you have to acknowledge the debt bomb , let alone offer a solution

again you just ignore what you do not want to see and pretend you can call an audit illegal and unconstitutional

what is wrong with you ?

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the SU govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

so yes we have been discussing the undeniable fact there is an urgent need to reduce govt spending / fraud

again you just pretend not to listen/ read what you do not want to deal with
just post a a laughing emoji and you think you get to ignore what you do not like
the maturity of a child

doge is doing an audit,
deal with it

Broken robot repeat loop.
(I already had that on the bingo card, but then it shows up so often with you it gets to be in multiple spots.)

 

[JohnLarue]

Let's try a logic puzzle.
An audit is legal.
Therefore anything done under the pretext of an audit is legal.

Yes or no?

lets stick to the issue instead of trying to muddy the waters

what is wrong with you ?

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the US govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

Q1. what happens to social security, Medicare, medicaid, welfare entitlement programs when the US go becomes insovent ?
Q2. Who will you blame ?

Nice.
So is it now "DOGE and DOGE only can do this and therefore any and all impediments to anything DOGE wants to do must be removed regardless of consequences"?
Or is it even remotely possible that there are other methods?

is it even remotely possible that you care

(We're still pretending you actually care about the debt and deficit.)

you pretend
I do care as a US govt default will cause an world wide economic depression

Also, let's go for the other interesting thought experiment.

All waste and fraud is removed from the Federal budget.
The Federal budget is still in deficit.
Therefore DOGE was a waste of time.

Yes/No?

look stupid, here are the facts

• 20% of US govt revenues are spent on interest payments
• the $ 36 trillion debt the US govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years

unless DOGE is able to cut govt waste and fraud , there will be a disaster

Broken robot repeat loop.
(I already had that on the bingo card, but then it shows up so often with you it gets to be in multiple spots.)

this is not a game
grow up