What large world event happened in 2020?
How did that affect the economy?
Let's see how well you do with those questions.
2011. Obama announces a DOGE department and puts Joe Biden in charge of it
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How did that affect the economy?
Let's see how well you do with those questions.
Because everyone wants to monitor and reduce unnecessary government spending.
But some people do it competently. And other people hire their bagman to fire Ebola researchers illegally.
I don't know. Why does trump get a pass for 2020 when Trudeau and Biden both took flack for the fallout from that world event.
Also, facts over feelings:
The Trump administration was ruining the pre-COVID-19 economy too, just more slowly
You don’t have to be an economist to know how the U.S. economy is doing today: It’s an utter shambles, with tens of millions of workers unable to find the work they need to get by, and with tens of millions of families facing extreme hardship and anxiety. These terrible conditions are mostly the...
www.epi.org
you do not seem to understand what 'So a different approach is required ' means
i am no fan of Donald Trump. He is a mean spirited, nasty, vindictive, egomaniac
his many character flaws do not change the fact that unless the US Govt gets its spending under control, they will will become insolvent very soon
That will cause a world wide economic depression, not a recession, but a depression
this will happen independent of your petty , childish identity politics game
So your position is:
Donald Trump, who already increased the debt more than anyone else and already crashed the economy once, is going to fix the US debt crisis by INCREASING the deficit?
That is a bold strategy, lets see how it works out for them:
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I think he's made it clear he approves of all of DOGE's illegal acts.
The lying about what they are finding is also presumably important and a positive good.
that is not my position
why do the loonie left always try too mis-represent others?
since you are incapable of understanding plain English let me clarify for you:
Trumps many character flaws do not change the fact that unless the US Govt gets its spending under control, they will will become insolvent very soon
That will cause a world wide economic depression, not a recession, but a depression.
I really do not care who addresses the govt spending issue / US govt debt bomb
However given the fact the govt debt is projected to double in the next 9 years and Trump is in charge for the next 4 years , it falls to him / Musk
compounding interest does not give a rats ass who is in the white house
no you do not think
since you are incapable of understanding plain English let me clarify for you:
Trumps many character flaws do not change the fact that unless the US Govt gets its spending under control, they will will become insolvent very soon
That will cause a world wide economic depression, not a recession, but a depression.
I really do not care who addresses the govt spending issue / US govt debt bomb
However given the fact the govt debt is projected to double in the next 9 years and Trump is in charge for the next 4 years , it falls to him / Musk
compounding interest does not give a rats ass who is in the white house
As for the legalities
All organizations need to be able to be accountable to an audit.
Govt agencies spending other peoples tax dollars / borrowed $ need to be accountable.
you claim DOGE is acting illegally, i suspect you just prefer big govt and do not give a rats ass what will happen down the road
Re: Mass firings
a govt insolvency will put a lot of people / govt and private sector out of work
which do you prefer?
500,000 govt employees out of work now
or
5 MM or 10 MM employees out of work in a decade ?
the Inflation Reduction Act was likely the most inappropriately named act in historyI don't know. Why does trump get a pass for 2020 when Trudeau and Biden both took flack for the fallout from that world event.
Also, facts over feelings:
The Trump administration was ruining the pre-COVID-19 economy too, just more slowly
You don’t have to be an economist to know how the U.S. economy is doing today: It’s an utter shambles, with tens of millions of workers unable to find the work they need to get by, and with tens of millions of families facing extreme hardship and anxiety. These terrible conditions are mostly the...
it was a money printing / spending bill
it was gasoline thrown onto the inflation fire
Similarly Trudeau could have cut taxes in response to COVID , yet he chose to do the only thing he knew how to do >> borrow and spend
the only people that gave Trump a pass for 2020 were .... the electorate
perhaps they should not have.
the only alternative was the cackling fool Kamila
The democrats gave the electorate no real choice
There is no reason to think trump will do anything but massively increase the debt.
do you care how any bomb is defused?
your lot has been throwing gasoline on this bomb for decades.
the inflation reduction act >> a pathetic excuse to spend and borrow >>> unbelievable
the spark will be compounding interest
this is undeniable, unreputable mathematics
in your face pure factual logic
the sad irony is the ones the loonie left pretend to care for are ones who will get decimated when the US govt become insolvent
Medicare > gone
Medicaid > gone
Social security > gone
Welfare > gone
and it will most certainly impact Canada and not in a good way
unless the US govt gets its spending reduced, and now, this debt will explode and it will be a nightmare for all , globally.
you were willing to condemn all on the planet to energy poverty which would have killed millions and drove billions into adject poverty because of a myth about parts per million of CO2
pretty extreme measures for a myth based on propaganda
but you are not willing to allow govt spending to be reduced, despite knowing full well it will denote a debt bomb
no myth about compounding interest
your priorities are messed up
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They are posting things they don't like and claiming they cut them and lying repeatedly about what they are doing.
The only thing that matters is what will happen down the road?
Or is it just that you associate "obeying the law" with "loving big government"?
Legality is just an unfortunate roadblock.
So mass murder of everyone who is supposed to receive a social security check would be far more efficient.
Also, enslavement for anyone who is homeless or commits a crime.
But DOGE isn't doing any of that and not conducting an audit.
They are posting things they don't like and claiming they cut them and lying repeatedly about what they are doing.
Am i to take from this that you don't care about the illegality as long as it accomplishes your goals?
The only thing that matters is what will happen down the road?
Or is it just that you associate "obeying the law" with "loving big government"?
Again, what you are saying here is that it doesn't matter how it happens, as long as it does happen?
Legality is just an unfortunate roadblock.
Thanks for the response.
So mass murder of everyone who is supposed to receive a social security check would be far more efficient.
Also, enslavement for anyone who is homeless or commits a crime.
I'm not the one who thinks any illegal activity is justified as long as it lowers government spending.
if that's what you want to describe what you are doing , so be it
sure they are
things which the us taxpayer does not like and which the administration was elected to eliminate
trump made this a campaign promise and was legally elected with expectations he would eliminate govt waste
DEI, Climate change propaganda spending / Gender crapoloa is govt waste
so you claim, yet you also claim Pierre P praises Trump,
you seem to like spouting off false narratives
the have said the will abide by judicial orders
and for you the only thing that matters is if you think you have prevented rational / responsible control on govt spending
news flash for you
millions will get hurt when the insolvency arrives
right now it appears you want to ensure financial collapse
no i am not
you seem to think you get to determine what is legal
i say you do not have a clue
which do you prefer?
500,000 govt employees out of work now
or
5 MM or 10 MM employees out of work in a decade ?
so you claim
bankrupt the US govt and no one receives a social security check
how many would you murder/ starve to death via that route ?
commit a crime, you run the risk of jail time
its been that way for thousands of years
re homeless - watch that number skyrocket in a US govt insolvency
I'm not the one who thinks govt agencies are immune to audits
look dummy
if the US govt become insolvent the number of people hurt will be staggering
the sad irony is the ones the loonie left pretend to care for are ones who will get decimated when the US govt become insolvent
Medicare > gone
Medicaid > gone
Social security > gone
Welfare > gone
yet you want to fight tooth and nail to ensure the irresponsible spending continues, guaranteeing insolvency and misery for millions
your priorities are really messed up
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Demonstrate how DOGE is doing an audit.
Perhaps this involves some interesting interpretation of the word.
Given the reaction to DOGE, it isn't things the us taxpayer doesn't like, now is it?
But yes, these are things you don't like so therefore they are "waste".
Pierre P has praised Trump and he is linked to Trump in the public mind.
Not sure why you are obsessed with that.
Since my claim they are lying about things they are doing is very easy to check, I can only assume you are refusing to accept it because you prefer your false narrative (as usual).
And yet they haven't been.
This is "rational / responsible control on govt spending"?
LOL
That's your answer to is it just that you associate "obeying the law" with "loving big government"? "?
Hilarious.
Oh!
Good.
This is somewhat at odds with your dodge above, but nice to see.
So let's clarify something here.
Are you saying there are actions DOGE could take that you would object to, even if it would reduce the debt?
Do you suddenly care how the bomb is defused?
That's not a denial that murder would be fine with you as long as it reduces the debt.
Still not denying murdering people would be fine with you as long as it reduces the debt.
Lesser of two evils and all that.
No one thinks govt agencies are immune to audits.
So if you get rid of these things now, they won't be gone later!
Brilliant.
You are the one who is willing to kill people to reduce the debt.
You have to be pretty blind to think Musk will find savings for the people.
#1Who gave you authority to make demands of me?
no one
#2. DOGE is conducting a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance
An audit is a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance with a set of standards, aimed at verifying their accuracy and ensuring adherence to regulations or best practices.
it sure is
it is the democrats and burecrates who are freaking, not the taxpayer
76% of Americans favor DOGE, White House press secretary says
A high majority of people in the U.S. are happy with President Donald Trump and Elon Musk for exposing federal waste through DOGE.
cbs4local.com
nope
76% of US taxpayers agree they are wasteful
because it is pure bullshit that you made up
you do not get to unilaterally state what is in the public's mind
that is only defined by election results
Pierre P was very clear he is no fan of Trumps attacks on Canadian Sovereignty and the tariffs
Poilievre says he is not a ‘MAGA guy’ and is ‘Canada first’
you have a bigger issue proving Carney in not a WEF guy first and a Canadian second
Actually no
the proof will be in the reduction in govt spending, provided Musk is able to complete his mission
so you claim but you claim a lot of bullshit as factual
obviously you do not know what rational / responsible control on govt spending otherwise you would recognise what 36 trillion in debt represents
there is nothing funny about the road the loonie left is taking us down
so you claim, but you claim a lot of bullshit as factual
there is nothing wrong or illegal about a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance
it sure is
if a govt makes a commitment to provide benefits such as Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, Welfare then it has to responsibly manage its finances to ensure it can provide those benefits
are you claiming no one will die if those benefits can not be provided?
An audit does not kill anyone
a govt insolvency would kill millions
then there is nothing wrong with DOGE conducting a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance
that is a ridiculous statement
since when did DEI , Climate Change propaganda, Gender bullshit spending elimination impact the ability to provide Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, or Welfare benefits ?
only in your strange world
what is wrong with you?
the sustainability of Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, and Welfare benefits is 100% dependant upon sustainable government finances
sustainable government finances now ABSOLUTLY requires the elimination of wasteful spending on DEI , Climate Change propaganda, Gender bullshit
An audit does not kill anyone
a govt insolvency would kill millions
your priorities are really messed up
