2011. Obama announces a DOGE department and puts Joe Biden in charge of it

[Frankfooter]

#2. DOGE is conducting a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance
An audit is a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance with a set of standards, aimed at verifying their accuracy and ensuring adherence to regulations or best practices.

No, Musk is cutting government services so that billionaires like him don't have to pay for it.
There is no audit, just cuts.

Same rationale trump and Reagan used for cutting education, right wingers don't want an educated and informed public.
Your posts are an excellent example of someone who has strong but strongly uninformed opinions, the perfect target for right winger doctrinaire.

 

[kherg007]

George Carlin agreed with the above. To paraphrase, The "owners" of the country want ya educated, but not too educated. They are a club, and you're not in it.

 

[Valcazar]

#1Who gave you authority to make demands of me?
no one

We have reached the "ONLY I CONTROL WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, PUNY HUMAN!" point of the proceedings, I see.
You're in a conversation on a public board, that you view any challenge to your preferred narrative to be "demands on you" is telling.

But we've been over this particular pathology of yours before.

#2. DOGE is conducting a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance
An audit is a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance with a set of standards, aimed at verifying their accuracy and ensuring adherence to regulations or best practices.

And since you've asserted this, I ask you to show any evidence supporting this assertion.
I know you will consider that a "demand" and if you want me to phrase it as one explicitly, I can.

Now listen closely, I know you have trouble with this bit, and try to internalize...

"Just because Johnny Larue wants to believe something, that doesn't make it true."

it sure is
it is the democrats and burecrates who are freaking, not the taxpayer

76% of Americans favor DOGE, White House press secretary says

A high majority of people in the U.S. are happy with President Donald Trump and Elon Musk for exposing federal waste through DOGE.

cbs4local.com

'76% of Americans favor DOGE': White House press secretary cites new poll

Why are you posting articles and polls from last month, when they've been losing support dramatically due to their actions?

DOGE approval ratings tank with nearly 60% of Americans unhappy, poll finds

It’s been just seven weeks since Donald Trump moved to the White House, and voters’ disapproval of Elon Musk’s work and for Donald Trump is climbing, according to a new survey

www.independent.co.uk

Poll: Voters like the idea of DOGE, but Elon Musk and his early results raise red flags

A majority of voters say they have negative views of Musk, and many are critical of the Department of Government Efficiency’s rapid work slashing the federal government.

www.nbcnews.com

It's almost like you're being deceitful on purpose. (Since I know you are much too smart to simply not look at the dates of things.)

nope
76% of US taxpayers agree they are wasteful

If you actually looked at the poll she was citing, you will see that what has 76% support is "Undertaking a full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government expenditures".



That doesn't mean they agree that what DOGE is targeting is, in fact, that.
And, of course, now that things have gone on for a month more, people support DOGE less and less, since it clearly isn't doing the thing they supported here in the poll.

because it is pure bullshit that you made up
you do not get to unilaterally state what is in the public's mind
that is only defined by election results

"That is only defined by election results"???
What a deranged, stupid thing to say.

Pierre P was very clear he is no fan of Trumps attacks on Canadian Sovereignty and the tariffs

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6671043

Poilievre says he is not a ‘MAGA guy’ and is ‘Canada first’

Yes, that's from 18 days ago.
Pollievre has, indeed, read the room and realized he needs to not be on Trump's side here.
The problem he has is that people feel this is a recent conversion and aren't sure they believe him.
Over the course of the campaign, he will have ample opportunity to win people over to his side.

you have a bigger issue proving Carney in not a WEF guy first and a Canadian second

I don't have that issue because it isn't something I am interested in proving.

Actually no
the proof will be in the reduction in govt spending, provided Musk is able to complete his mission

So you are just going to accept whatever number they claim, whether or not it is factual?
Or is your position that they can and should lie about their savings as much as they can to maintain support of people as long as they accomplish "something" then it's all goods, because the ends always justify the means?

I'll make it easier - do they have any obligation to tell the truth about what they've done or are doing?

there is nothing wrong or illegal about a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance

Which has nothing to do with my issues with DOGE.
If that's what they were doing, things would be much better.

it sure is
if a govt makes a commitment to provide benefits such as Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, Welfare then it has to responsibly manage its finances to ensure it can provide those benefits

are you claiming no one will die if those benefits can not be provided?

They absolutely will die.
It's one of the reasons DOGE trying to hard to kill those programs upsets people.

An audit does not kill anyone
a govt insolvency would kill millions

Why do you keep talking about this non-existent audit that DOGE isn't actually doing?

then there is nothing wrong with DOGE conducting a formal, systematic, and independent examination of an organization's or individual's records, accounts, finances, or compliance

I agree!
Unfortunately, that's not what DOGE is doing.

that is a ridiculous statement
since when did DEI , Climate Change propaganda, Gender bullshit spending elimination impact the ability to provide Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, or Welfare benefits ?
only in your strange world

You are totally unaware of what DOGE is doing, aren't you?
You just decided to make up a story in your head and believe that is reality.

Fascinating.

the sustainability of Medicare , Medicaid, Social security, and Welfare benefits is 100% dependant upon sustainable government finances
sustainable government finances now ABSOLUTLY requires the elimination of wasteful spending on DEI , Climate Change propaganda, Gender bullshit

OK, let's take this premise of yours entirely seriously for a second.
Just for shits and giggles.
How much does the government spend on that and how will cutting all of it preserve all the benefits you are pretending you want to save?

An audit does not kill anyone
a govt insolvency would kill millions

your priorities are really messed up

I'm not the one who refuses to say that killing people to reduce the debt would be unacceptable.

 

[JohnLarue]

We have reached the "ONLY I CONTROL WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, PUNY HUMAN!" point of the proceedings, I see.
You're in a conversation on a public board, that you view any challenge to your preferred narrative to be "demands on you" is telling.

But we've been over this particular pathology of yours before.

wrong
this is point where you pretend you have some sort of intellectual / moral superiority
well that is simply not the case

And since you've asserted this, I ask you to show any evidence supporting this assertion.
I know you will consider that a "demand" and if you want me to phrase it as one explicitly, I can.

Now listen closely, I know you have trouble with this bit, and try to internalize...

"Just because Johnny Larue wants to believe something, that doesn't make it true."

look dummy
mathematics does not lie
the simple fact of the mater is unless DOGE is permitted to reduce US govt spending, the US govt will become insolvent very soon and plunge the world into an economic depression that will destroy millions of lives

provide a logical response to this fact or get lost
you can not claim latter that you were not warned

 

[Valcazar]

wrong
this is point where you pretend you have some sort of intellectual / moral superiority
well that is simply not the case

Your delusions are important to you, I know.

look dummy
mathematics does not lie
the simple fact of the mater is unless DOGE is permitted to reduce US govt spending, the US govt will become insolvent very soon and plunge the world into an economic depression that will destroy millions of lives

We're back to "the end justifies the means" with DOGE needing to do whatever it takes.
And, of course, the screaming flight from a challenge to your beliefs.

provide a logical response to this fact or get lost
you can not claim latter that you were not warned

The logical answer is DOGE is doing nothing that would address the problem you claim to think is the most important in the world.
If you actually believed what you say you believed, you would admit that and demand better.

 

[JohnLarue]

Your delusions are important to you, I know.

too funny
you ignore what you do not want to look at and tell others they are delusional
wake up

We're back to "the end justifies the means" with DOGE needing to do whatever it takes.
And, of course, the screaming flight from a challenge to your beliefs.

this has nothing to do with beliefs
compounding interest is quite factual and non debateable

The logical answer is DOGE is doing nothing that would address the problem you claim to think is the most important in the world.
If you actually believed what you say you believed, you would admit that and demand better.

DOGE is identifying wasteful / fraudulent spending

the debt bomb problem is very real and fast approaching

If you actually understood simple mathematics and were able to process logic , you would admit that and demand the spending be cut
but no, you have a failed ideology to support at any cost to others

 

[Valcazar]

this has nothing to do with beliefs
compounding interest is quite factual and non debateable

No one is debating the existence of compound interest.

DOGE is identifying wasteful / fraudulent spending

Not really.
I know you don't want to accept that.

 

[Frankfooter]

DOGE is identifying wasteful / fraudulent spending

the debt bomb problem is very real and fast approaching

If you actually understood simple mathematics and were able to process logic , you would admit that and demand the spending be cut
but no, you have a failed ideology to support at any cost to others

That's not what this is about.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903186129911726236

 

[JohnLarue]

No one is debating the existence of compound interest.

you close your eyes to problem and pretend you have a moral superiority

there is no moral superiority in pretending the problem does not exist
the debt bomb is real and will detonate with status quo govt spending

Not really.
I know you don't want to accept that.

yes really
I know you don't want to accept that.

let Musk get on with it
If as you say, there is no waste / fraud, then both he / Trump look the fool

If as he says there is tremendous waste / fraud, then the spending issue gets fixed and social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be funded

prevent Musk from getting get on with it and you give Trump an out and the time bomb keeps ticking

you are on the wrong side of this

or are you concerned some damn fool democrat did not cover his / her tracks well enough when he/she was wallowing at the trough ?

 

[Valcazar]

yes really

LOL.

If you're just going to ignore reality completely there isn't even the point of pretending to have a conversation with you.

let Musk get on with it

On with what he is doing or with what you want to claim he is doing?

Because, of course, it is entirely possible you aren't completely unaware of what is happening, but for some reason you don't want to admit it and so are just lying because you approve but don't like the pushback.

 

[JohnLarue]

]LOL.

If you're just going to ignore reality completely there isn't even the point of pretending to have a conversation with you.

you are one ignoring reality

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

On with what he is doing or with what you want to claim he is doing?

asked and answered
it is an audit
pay attention

Because, of course, it is entirely possible you aren't completely unaware of what is happening, but for some reason you don't want to admit it and so are just lying because you approve but don't like the pushback.

look dummy

let Musk get on with it
If as you say, there is no waste / fraud, then both he / Trump look the fool
you get to claim victory, sort of, and a decade later funding for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare stops when the US govt become insolvent

If as he says there is tremendous waste / fraud, then the spending issue gets fixed and social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be funded

prevent Musk from getting get on with it and you give Trump an out and the time bomb keeps ticking

you are on the wrong side of this

or are you concerned some damn fool democrat did not cover his / her tracks well enough when he/she was wallowing at the trough ?

i suspect this is the real reason for the pushback

 

[Valcazar]

it is an audit
pay attention

Why do you insist on just making shit up?

let Musk get on with it
If as you say, there is no waste / fraud, then both he / Trump look the fool

Don't be stupid.
There is no enterprise on earth without waste.
If "any waste ever in any way means this was justified" is your criteria you're being even more dishonest than usual.

if as he says there is tremendous waste / fraud, then the spending issue gets fixed and social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be funded

Ah.
So the criteria is "tremendous waste/fraud" ?

Cool.
Now.
Since you know he isn't doing a formal audit.
Are you going to accept "I don't like it!" as a definition of waste?
Because that does help with getting rid of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare.

In other words, is the point here "finding any justification to reduce government spending" ?

Because that is your obsession, correct?

or are you concerned some damn fool democrat did not cover his / her tracks well enough when he/she was wallowing at the trough ?

Why would that remotely concern me?
You should maybe work on your paranoid fantasies.

 

[JohnLarue]

Why do you insist on just making shit up?

why do you insist on denying the truth of the matter

$100K to a 9-month-old, $2B to Stacey Abrams: Trump team details government waste, fraud

President Trump and his Cabinet secretaries detailed their cost-cutting measures at a meeting Monday, highlighting the wasteful spending and fraudulent contracts the administration has halted.

www.washingtontimes.com

$100K to a 9-month-old, $2B to Stacey Abrams: Trump team details government waste, fraud

Don't be stupid.
There is no enterprise on earth without waste.
If "any waste ever in any way means this was justified" is your criteria you're being even more dishonest than usual.

look stupid
the US govt is on a slippery slope towards insolvency and that will be devastating for all
that means no amount of waste is justified
$2B to Stacey Abrams is quite the chunk of change

Ah.
So the criteria is "tremendous waste/fraud" ?

if as he says there is tremendous waste / fraud, then the spending issue gets fixed and social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be funded

Cool.
Now.
Since you know he isn't doing a formal audit.
Are you going to accept "I don't like it!" as a definition of waste?

no waste is defined by the electorate / taxpayer

DEI/ Climate Change Propaganda / Gender nonsense is wasteful and in the case of Stacey Abrams it looks like fraudulent

Because that does help with getting rid of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare.

Gid rid of ???
you need to pay attention
the only way social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be saved is if Musk identifies a huge amount of waste and that wasteful spending is eliminated

What part of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare require a solvent government do you not understand?

In other words, is the point here "finding any justification to reduce government spending" ?

Because that is your obsession, correct?

avoiding a world wide depression is a worthwhile objective

you obsession appears to be drive govt spending until the insolvency happens
then you will blame it on capitalism

Why would that remotely concern me?
You should maybe work on your paranoid fantasies.

well
#1a democrat caught with his / her hand in the public purse will prove DOGE's value , $2B to Stacey Abrams is quite the chunk of change
#2 it would also mean your denial of the waste and fraud has been wrong from day one

You should maybe work on processing logic
you obviously have not managed to figure out simple compounding of interest

 

[Valcazar]

$100K to a 9-month-old, $2B to Stacey Abrams: Trump team details government waste, fraud

And, like all the other claims, now we wait for the proof beyond "DOGE says".

$2B to Stacey Abrams is quite the chunk of change

So did you not read the article, or are you choosing that framing deliberately?

if as he says there is tremendous waste / fraud, then the spending issue gets fixed and social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare can be funded

But he thinks those are waste and fraud.

Gid rid of ???
you need to pay attention

Yes.
He's made his view of them very clear.

well
#1a democrat caught with his / her hand in the public purse will prove DOGE's value ,

How so?
Wouldn't ANY politician caught with his/her hand int he public purse prove DOGE's value?
Certainly it would if you were actually interested in fraud and corruption.
I guess this is just an entirely partisan exercise for you.
Not that you were doing a good job of hiding that.

You should maybe work on processing logic

But processing logic isn't something useful in a conversation with you.

 

[Frankfooter]

This will be the US after the DOGE cuts in a few months.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904874496323981683

 

[JohnLarue]

And, like all the other claims, now we wait for the proof beyond "DOGE says".

trillions of deficit dollars went somewhere

So did you not read the article, or are you choosing that framing deliberately?

yes i read the article

what part of $2B to Stacey Abrams: is confusing you?

But he thinks those are waste and fraud.

no
he is trying to save social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare

Yes.
He's made his view of them very clear.

no
fraud in social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare is a problem
you confuse yourself

How so?
Wouldn't ANY politician caught with his/her hand int he public purse prove DOGE's value?
Certainly it would if you were actually interested in fraud and corruption.
I guess this is just an entirely partisan exercise for you.
Not that you were doing a good job of hiding that.

$2B to Stacey Abrams is a democrat problem

But processing logic isn't something useful in a conversation with you.

so you just do not bother and instead choose to ignore facts and dispense with logic

your ability to ignore facts and dispense with logic has nothing to do with me

you should be applauding Musks efforts to save social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and avoid a global depression
but no, you insist govt must run deficits

 

[Valcazar]

yes i read the article
what part of $2B to Stacey Abrams: is confusing you?

It's not confusing, it's misleading and deceptive.
But since you read the article and are sticking with it, I can only assume that's intentional.

no
he is trying to save social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare

Interesting.
How have you reached this conclusion?

$2B to Stacey Abrams is a democrat problem

Really doubling down on the dishonest framing I see.
So the whole debt thing is completely bullshit?
This is pure partisanship?

That's disappointing.
As ludicrous as you are, I had kind of suspected this single-minded focus was actually real.
Oh well.

so you just do not bother and instead choose to ignore facts and dispense with logic

You seem to be under the delusion I (or anyone else on the site) takes you seriously.

 

[Frankfooter]

trillions of deficit dollars went somewhere




yes i read the article

what part of $2B to Stacey Abrams: is confusing you?




no
he is trying to save social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare




no
fraud in social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare is a problem
you confuse yourself



$2B to Stacey Abrams is a democrat problem






so you just do not bother and instead choose to ignore facts and dispense with logic

your ability to ignore facts and dispense with logic has nothing to do with me

you should be applauding Musks efforts to save social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and avoid a global depression
but no, you insist govt must run deficits

In other news, half of parents in the US are paying for their adult kid's groceries.

Percentage of parents financially supporting adult children reaches a three-year high

www.savings.com

Don't think this will get any better with tariff increased prices, mass layoffs and mass cuts to social services.

 

[JohnLarue]

It's not confusing, it's misleading and deceptive.
But since you read the article and are sticking with it, I can only assume that's intentional.

wrong again
$2B just does not disappear and then wind up in a Stacy Abrams NGO bank account despite no donations

i thought you believed there should be no billionaires at all
at least most billionaires take on risk to achieve such wealth/ control over a billion dollars

Stacy Abrams?
well maybe jail time risk

Interesting.
How have you reached this conclusion?

what is wrong with you?
social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare do not get funded by an insolvent govt
Musk is tryin to prevent govt from becoming insolvent

Really doubling down on the dishonest framing I see.
So the whole debt thing is completely bullshit?
This is pure partisanship?

what a stupid question
you know the debt can not be bullshit
it is real and undeniable

$2B to Stacey Abrams is a problem and it is a democrat problem


you can not be so stupid that you are unable to isolate the debt from the fraud
debt does not care what the money is spent on

That's disappointing.
As ludicrous as you are, I had kind of suspected this single-minded focus was actually real.
Oh well.

what a stupid statement
you know the debt can not be bullshit
it is real and undeniable

it is your single minded focus that insists stupidity must be govt funded despite full well knowing insolvency is fast approaching

You seem to be under the delusion I (or anyone else on the site) takes you seriously.

it is not me that will turn off the funding to social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare
it will be the debt you demand must continue to grow

you will just choose to ignore facts and dispense with logic until the funding goes dry and then you will look to blame capitalism
its not like we have never seen your clown show before

 

[Valcazar]

wrong again
$2B just does not disappear and then wind up in a Stacy Abrams NGO bank account despite no donations

i thought you believed there should be no billionaires at all
at least most billionaires take on risk to achieve such wealth/ control over a billion dollars

Stacy Abrams?
well maybe jail time risk

Are you under the impression Stacy Abrams is a billionaire?

what is wrong with you?
social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare do not get funded by an insolvent govt
Musk is tryin to prevent govt from becoming insolvent

Your insane view of Musk and what he is doing is fascinating.

what a stupid question
you know the debt can not be bullshit
it is real and undeniable

$2B to Stacey Abrams is a problem and it is a democrat problem

You really think the US government put 2 billion dollars in Stacy Abrams's bank account, don't you?

you can not be so stupid that you are unable to isolate the debt from the fraud
debt does not care what the money is spent on

What an interesting non-denial denial.