Yah - remember that hearing last year with him and former trainer Brian McNamee. Clemens kept saying that Andy Pettitte misremembered several things they supposedly talked about. Roger obviously had that same problem with his memory.Rockslinger said:
I too would vote for Lee Smith, but 2 guys voted for Jay Bell??????blueline said:
All I remember is his wife getting an injection in the butt and dating a 15 year old girl/woman. Sorry, I get easily distracted by things female.blueline said:
bigdik said:I too would vote for Lee Smith, but 2 guys voted for Jay Bell??????
Come on, he was a nice player, but Jay Bell?
I know Rice was borderline, but I would have voted for him. In his prime he was every bit as dangerous a hitter as Manny, without being a friggin cancer.
For those of you who slag his D, the next 2 LF's in are Bonds and Manny. Suddenly Rice doesn't look that bad, does he? At least he could throw the ball home, and I don't recall him cutting any throws off.
I didn't say he was. In the 12 years of his prime though, Rice's numbers stack up with anyone's, Manny's included. The big knock against Rice has always been the length of his career, justifiably so.MLAM said:
The one thing about Rice is that he came to play every day. He never faked injuries or quit on his team late in the season before a big series and in the heat of a pennant race. Nobody had to run him out of town because he had become disruptive. He may have been surly, especially to the media, however, his teammates respected him. I read some of the comments today from former teammates and all had nothing but praise for him. Callers to a local radio station were happy for him and were congratulating him. Somehow I don't think Manny gets the same kind of love today by his former teammates in Boston, nor by many of the fans. He may well be the greatest RH hitter of our time and I seriously doubt he waits 15 years to get into the HOF. 15 minutes would be too long of a wait. But there is no comparison in the character between the two.bigdik said:
...if that is true, and not just bygones be bygones try to be a class act and let the man have his moment behavior, then that changes things a bit for me. Because I had always heard that he was NOT liked in the clubhouse.blueline said:
Boston fans didn't like Williams or Russell while they were playing either. You never can tell...blueline said:
Oh you may very well be correct in saying that MLAM. But I tend to think if Rice was disliked, it may have just been his personality. The dislike for Manny is a little different in that he will be known as a quitter. If a guy is nasty and grumpy but plays hard for me every day, if I know he will be ready to be in the lineup every game and gives his all, he can be on my team. A guy who fakes injuries, refuses to take an at bat because it is his day off even though his manager needs him, quits on his team three years in a row and whose teammates are left wondering if he is going to be in the lineup - I will have a problem with.MLAM said:
This attitude of deny, deny, deny (until totally backed into a corner, then ask for forgiveness) is not limited to sports (Marion Jones, Floyd Landis) but is pervasive in our society. Politics currently has Blagojevich and Conrad Black in business to name just a couple. The mentality of these people is that they never believe they are capable of ever doing anything wrong.blueline said:
As did Mazeroski. All Glove, No Bat, and 1 big hit = HOF.blueline said:Well, Joe may not have his place in Cooperstown, but one thing nobody can ever take away from him - he got to touch 'em all.
MLAM Boston fans didn't like Williams or Russell while they were playing either. You never can tell...[/QUOTE said:
