2009 MLB Hall of Fame ... who gets in????

[Toronto Passions]

Lee Smith would also get my vote…the man was once the all time leader in saves (478), and was good for a long time, over a LOT of years. For my money, if Fingers and Sutter are in, Smith deserves to be in as well. He’d get my vote. But I suspect he isn’t appreciated yet, and will not get in.

Yup I agree. Smith should be in. Along with Fingers and Sutter, imho, if Gossage is in......Smith should be in for sure. My picks would be-

-Ricky Henderson
-Lee Smith

There are lots of guys with WS rings that were just along for the ride... and that includes Rickey's ring with Toronto! (Although Henderson had a very good, but not great postseason career outside of 1993.)

Wasn't he the winning run on Carters 3 run 1993 W.S. winning shot? At least he was on base at that perfect moment. *cheers* as he crosses the plate before Carter did. Lol.

How many are there? I am not going to look it up but I will throw out a few names that I am pretty certain of.

Gossage, Sutter, Eckersley, Sutton, Jenkins, Drysdale

Off the top of my head, Eckersley has a no-hitter as a Red Sock when he was a starter in the 80's.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

Tj

Tommy John deserves to be in. How many other players get a surgery named after them? OK, maybe he should be voted into the AMA HOF

 

[blueline]

Off the top of my head, Eckersley has a no-hitter as a Red Sock when he was a starter in the 80's.

Partly correct. He did it with Cleveland in 1977.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Partly correct. He did it with Cleveland in 1977.

See...that's why you should have looked it up in the first place.

 

[blueline]

See...that's why you should have looked it up in the first place.

Well I was thinking more of him as a Red Sox starter and I knew he didn't do it with them. I forgot about him starting his career with the Indians.

 

[blueline]

My picks are Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice on his 15th and final appearance on the ballot. I know there has always been some debate on whether or not Rice is/was worthy, but he fell only 16 votes shy last year. If history is any indication, Rice could well make up the difference this time. No player has ever received as high a percentage as Rice did last year without eventually becoming a Hall of Famer. He gets in.

(blueline bows to the crowd accepting kudos for this brilliant prediction)

 

[blueline]

Ricky Henderson self proclaimed best of alltime and Jim Rice only 2 going in ... Just heard ..

As I reported 4 minutes ahead of you...... you need a better crackberry GR.

 

[blueline]

Going from memory here after hearing the results of the voting.......

Rickey 94 %
Rice 76.4%

Too bad about Andre Dawson, he inched up to 67% (65.9 last year). What is this saying about McGwire who lost votes? He previously received 23.5% then 23.6% only to drop to 21%.

His only chance is if other players from the Steroid Era eventually get voted in. I believe Bonds will make it, probably not a first ballot, but in time I'd say he gets in. The others will be interesting. Sosa, Clemens, Palmeiro, McGwire.

 

[blueline]

Results of the voting ...........

Here is the link for those who are interested in the results of the balloting .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Hall_of_Fame_balloting,_2009

 

[RTRD]

Kudos...

(blueline bows to the crowd accepting kudos for this brilliant prediction)

...to you.

I honestly, honestly, honestly do not believe Rice should have gotten in. As has been stated on blogs and message boards all over the internet, Rice getting in opens the door for a TONS of other good hit - no field single dimensional players whose stats are comparable, and who also have no post season accomplishments of note. If Rice is no longer the dividing line, than who is?

Likewise...it is a joke that Dawson is still not in. I guess they will wait until year 15 for him too. But no way is Rice a HOF player if the 4 tool multiple all star worshiped by fans and teammates alike Dawson is not...

 

[trakit2009]

Well I don't think anyone's going to argue with me when I say that Ricky aka"Mr.Consistent" Henderson should definitely be inducted. If he wasn't that would be considered a major atrocity in baseball's history.

David Cone had some good numbers and memorable games like the no hitter he pitched, so i think he may be a good candidate but I don't think he should be inducted in yet.

 

[blueline]

...to you.

I honestly, honestly, honestly do not believe Rice should have gotten in. As has been stated on blogs and message boards all over the internet, Rice getting in opens the door for a TONS of other good hit - no field single dimensional players whose stats are comparable, and who also have no post season accomplishments of note. If Rice is no longer the dividing line, than who is?

Like wise...it is a joke that Dawson is still not in. I guess they will wait until year 15 for him too. But no way is Rice a HOF player if the 4 tool multiple all star worshiped by fans and teammates alike Dawson is not...

Well as I said to C-F in an earlier post, we can all debate all day whether Rice deserves to be in or not. There are strong arguments on both sides. What I do not like is this 15 year window. Rice is the third player to make it in on the last ballot and looks like he got in by a mere 5-6 votes. It does kind of cheapen it for a player to get in after so many chances, then to squeak in. So for 14 years he is not a HOF'er. Now in 2009 he is?

I will still be pulling for 'The Hawk' to get in one day. I still remember him playing in Boston with his knees wrapped up because he could barely walk, let alone run.

A point I want to make about guys like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens etc., along with Pete Rose. I have always felt that if these guys just owned up to what they did, ( I guess allegedly until it is proven), it may make people look at them a little differently. If Mac or Clemens just said 'Yes I took PED's, this is why I took them, I admit it, it was wrong, they gave me an unfair edge, what can I do to clear my name?' Then perhaps if they went around talking to kids, trying to keep them away from steroids, trying to do some good for the game, people may not be so down on them. What I hate the most is not the crime, or the offense, the cheating, whatever you want to call it, it is the cover up. Same as Pete Rose. I still think he would have helped his case tremendously for the HOF if he had just owned up to it. Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes, just admit it and make it right. Maybe I am wrong about how I feel, but I don't see how it could not help their chances. I know I have a lot more respect for a person who stands up and admits their mistake as opposed to the person who tries to cover up.

 

[blueline]

Well I don't think anyone's going to argue with me when I say that Ricky aka"Mr.Consistent" Henderson should definitely be inducted. If he wasn't that would be considered a major atrocity in baseball's history.

David Cone had some good numbers and memorable games like the no hitter he pitched, so i think he may be a good candidate but I don't think he should be inducted in yet.

Cone is officially off the ballot. He only received 3.9% of the votes this year. Once a player receives less than 5% - he is done.

 

[Toronto Passions]

I'm still sticking to Lee Smith for "who should have" next to Ricky.

But hey, this should mean Joe Carter gets in for sure. I'm happy about that.

 

[Rockslinger]

Here is the link for those who are interested in the results of the balloting .....

A couple of questions and observations.

1) Is PETE ROSE even on the ballot? I think he did confess to his sins recently or is that too late?
2) No starting pitcher elected in the last 10 years. This will change with Clemens, Maddux, Glavine and Johnson in the pipeline.

 

[blueline]

A couple of questions and observations.

1) Is PETE ROSE even on the ballot? I think he did confess to his sins recently or is that too late?
2) No starting pitcher elected in the last 10 years. This will change with Clemens, Maddux, Glavine and Johnson in the pipeline.

Rose is not on the ballot. I was just listening to a radio interview on a Boston station and the guy who has a vote mentioned this. The conversation turned to Rose and he said even if he wanted to vote for him, he couldn't because his name did not appear. I am not exactly sure what Rose admitted to.

As for the pitchers, 3 of the 4 you mentioned have excellent chances. We will have to see what happens with Clemens. My guess is he gets the McGwire treatment. At least during his first few years on the ballot.

 

[blueline]

I'm still sticking to Lee Smith for "who should have" next to Ricky.

But hey, this should mean Joe Carter gets in for sure. I'm happy about that.

I'd vote for Lee Smith as well. Joe Carter was only on the ballot for one year, 2004. He received less than the required 5% so he is off. 19 votes got him 3.9%. But he is in the Canadian Baseball HOF.

 

[Rockslinger]

I am not exactly sure what Rose admitted to.
We will have to see what happens with Clemens.

1) ROSE - Yes, he admitted in a radio interview that he bet on baseball games. Said it did not affect his or his team's performance. His baseball stats are "clean".

2) CLEMENS - What did Clemens do again? Heard his wife got a steroid injection in the butt and he dated a 15 year old singer. Was he also taking steroids?

 

[blueline]

1) ROSE - Yes, he admitted in a radio interview that he bet on baseball games. Said it did not affect his or his team's performance. His baseball stats are "clean".

2) CLEMENS - What did Clemens do again? Heard his wife got a steroid injection in the butt and he dated a 15 year old singer. Was he also taking steroids?

He is well known now for misremembering a few things.

 

[Rockslinger]

He is well known now for misremembering a few things.

Oh ok, 2 years in the penalty box for "misremembering". He will have to wait 7 years (not 5). Greg Maddux should get at least 99% of the votes. This means that Greg will get in before Clemens.