2009 MLB Hall of Fame ... who gets in????
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Not sure it was Ty. For some strange reason the names Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan seem to come vaguely to mind as the all-time vote getter. Surprised that nobody ever got 100%.blueline said:
So, nobody ever had more than 98.8%. Not Cobb, Ruth, Williams, Young, Mays, Aaron, etc.blueline said:
Ahhh yes.....
...the annual debate.
Henderson is in, no question. The only question is whether his attitude and antics will keep him from being a 90% guy.
No one else is a lock. Not even close.
Who would get my vote?
Well, I have been promoting Dawson for years. Somehow though, based on some of the things I have read, I don't think he will make it, at least not this year. But if I had a vote, he'd get it.
Pretty much in parallel, I have been running an anti Rice campaign. And again, he wouldn't get my vote. To me, Rice still remains the gateway player....if you were better than Rice to any degree...you are in. If you are Rice's equal or less, you are out. If Rice had ANYTHING else to make his case for him...a Gold Glove or two, a .300 average (.298), 400 HRs (382), a couple hundred stolen bases (58), a better reputation in the community and / or with his teammates, a World Series ring, ANYTHING....he'd already be in. But he doesn't. Rice is SO close it is freakish…had he hit 18 more home runs vs. making 18 outs over his 16 year career…just a hair over 1 per year…he’d be a member of one of the most exclusive clubs in baseball…the .300 avg / 400 Hr club. And nobody in that club who is HOF eligible is not in. But Rice is NOT a member of that club, as close as he is, and he is NOT a HOF player, in my opinion.
But…
Rice has been gaining more and more votes in recent years, coming up short by only 16 votes last year. And this is his last year on the ballot. My money is that even though in my opinion he doesn’t deserve it…he will get those 16 votes on sentiment, and squeak in this year, ala Gossage last year.
Raines, when you examine the numbers, was a great player. I don’t think people realize just how good he was. 800+ career stolen bases, with 4 stolen bases crowns, and the all time highest career stolen base percentage (85%). A batting title. Twice lead the league in runs. 2600 hits, a career .294 average. Yet, he only had 24% of the vote last year. If I had a vote, he’d get mine.
A guy who won’t get in, but who I think doesn’t get enough pub is Dale Murphy. Multiple MVP awards, multiple home run titles, multiple Gold Gloves. One of the earliest 30 / 30 players (that’s right…Dale Murphy had some speed). But he is currently only getting about 15% of the vote. I don’t know that Murphy really is a HOF player, but he deserves more than 15%
McGwire – no, he wouldn’t get my vote, and no, he will not get in. Thankfully.
Amongst the pitchers, the Blyleven case has been made continuously over the last several years, and he’d get my vote. His stock has been raising in recent votes, and I think he will be a squeaker this year, but remain on the outside.
Lee Smith would also get my vote…the man was once the all time leader in saves (478), and was good for a long time, over a LOT of years. For my money, if Fingers and Sutter are in, Smith deserves to be in as well. He’d get my vote. But I suspect he isn’t appreciated yet, and will not get in.
...the annual debate.
Henderson is in, no question. The only question is whether his attitude and antics will keep him from being a 90% guy.
No one else is a lock. Not even close.
Who would get my vote?
Well, I have been promoting Dawson for years. Somehow though, based on some of the things I have read, I don't think he will make it, at least not this year. But if I had a vote, he'd get it.
Pretty much in parallel, I have been running an anti Rice campaign. And again, he wouldn't get my vote. To me, Rice still remains the gateway player....if you were better than Rice to any degree...you are in. If you are Rice's equal or less, you are out. If Rice had ANYTHING else to make his case for him...a Gold Glove or two, a .300 average (.298), 400 HRs (382), a couple hundred stolen bases (58), a better reputation in the community and / or with his teammates, a World Series ring, ANYTHING....he'd already be in. But he doesn't. Rice is SO close it is freakish…had he hit 18 more home runs vs. making 18 outs over his 16 year career…just a hair over 1 per year…he’d be a member of one of the most exclusive clubs in baseball…the .300 avg / 400 Hr club. And nobody in that club who is HOF eligible is not in. But Rice is NOT a member of that club, as close as he is, and he is NOT a HOF player, in my opinion.
But…
Rice has been gaining more and more votes in recent years, coming up short by only 16 votes last year. And this is his last year on the ballot. My money is that even though in my opinion he doesn’t deserve it…he will get those 16 votes on sentiment, and squeak in this year, ala Gossage last year.
Raines, when you examine the numbers, was a great player. I don’t think people realize just how good he was. 800+ career stolen bases, with 4 stolen bases crowns, and the all time highest career stolen base percentage (85%). A batting title. Twice lead the league in runs. 2600 hits, a career .294 average. Yet, he only had 24% of the vote last year. If I had a vote, he’d get mine.
A guy who won’t get in, but who I think doesn’t get enough pub is Dale Murphy. Multiple MVP awards, multiple home run titles, multiple Gold Gloves. One of the earliest 30 / 30 players (that’s right…Dale Murphy had some speed). But he is currently only getting about 15% of the vote. I don’t know that Murphy really is a HOF player, but he deserves more than 15%
McGwire – no, he wouldn’t get my vote, and no, he will not get in. Thankfully.
Amongst the pitchers, the Blyleven case has been made continuously over the last several years, and he’d get my vote. His stock has been raising in recent votes, and I think he will be a squeaker this year, but remain on the outside.
Lee Smith would also get my vote…the man was once the all time leader in saves (478), and was good for a long time, over a LOT of years. For my money, if Fingers and Sutter are in, Smith deserves to be in as well. He’d get my vote. But I suspect he isn’t appreciated yet, and will not get in.
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Another trivia question. (Sorry about that.) Which pitchers in the HOL never pitched a no hitter?
Cy Young barely made the 75% cutoff? Why? 511 wins are not enough to get a few more votes?blueline said:
Oh, I forgot to mention that relief pitchers are ineligible for this question. Sutton, Jenkins and Drysdale are good guesses. I actually knew at one time but have forgotten now. I seem to vaguely recall a high win pitcher never had one, maybe Mathewson and/or Alexander. Does sure fire future HOF pitcher Greg Maddux have a no hitter?blueline said:
2013
Check out the Class of 2013. That will be very interesting.
2013: Sandy Alomar Jr., Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Conine, Steve Finley, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Ryan Klesko, Mike Lieberthal, Kenny Lofton, Jose Mesa, Damian Miller, Eric Milton, Russ Ortiz, Mike Piazza, Reggie Sanders, Curt Schilling, Aaron Sele, Sammy Sosa, Mike Stanton, Todd Walker, David Wells, Rondell White, Bob Wickman, Woody Williams
Then add in the two possible holdovers from previous years. Palmeiro and McGwire.
Check out the Class of 2013. That will be very interesting.
2013: Sandy Alomar Jr., Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Conine, Steve Finley, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Ryan Klesko, Mike Lieberthal, Kenny Lofton, Jose Mesa, Damian Miller, Eric Milton, Russ Ortiz, Mike Piazza, Reggie Sanders, Curt Schilling, Aaron Sele, Sammy Sosa, Mike Stanton, Todd Walker, David Wells, Rondell White, Bob Wickman, Woody Williams
Then add in the two possible holdovers from previous years. Palmeiro and McGwire.
no.Rockslinger said:
Here are the NL No-Hitters
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/pinohit2.shtml
and the AL No-Hitters
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/pinohit1.shtml
Is Craig Biggio untainted by scandal? Has he ever won a WS or some individual trophies? Bonds and Clemans appear to be damaged goods. Otherwise, they would be in the 95% club.
Biggio and Piazza...
...will be first ballot HOFers.
Franco will get more votes that people think. Lofton will get his share as well.
Schilling will be an INTERESTING case.
None of the 'roids guys will get in, though Bonds will be closer than people think...and might get in on a later ballot.
blueline said:
...will be first ballot HOFers.
Franco will get more votes that people think. Lofton will get his share as well.
Schilling will be an INTERESTING case.
None of the 'roids guys will get in, though Bonds will be closer than people think...and might get in on a later ballot.
