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Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

richaceg

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Why would Zelensky sign a deal unless there were iron clad security guarantees? He probably came over to negotiate that guarantee. It's probably a good thing that he didn't sign because neither Trump, nor his boss Putin could ever be trusted (whatever happened to that free trade deal Trump signed with Canada and Mexico, anyway). Ukraine gave up the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world voluntarily at the end of the USSR under the Budapest accords guaranteed by the U.S., UK, Russia and EU, giving up several trillion of dollars of nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees for its territorial integrity which Russia has violated and the U.S., UK and EU vowed to protect. If Ukraine had kept its nuclear weapons, it would have been one of the most nuclear armed countries in the world and Russia would have never invaded.
Are you always this late to the party? This not world War 2 where tanks and b52s are the name of the game. Even of the entire Eu promised to put "boots on the ground that is not a guarantee on safety.." an economic deal with the US guarantees Ukraine that Russia wouldn't want to dip their hands on someone's cookie jar if that someone has the capabilities to wipe them off the map... olo just want the skirmish to continue so that the dollars keep on coming..
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Time for USA to leave NATO and remake it as a European organization.

Unfortunately, Canada is led by idiots and will likely stay.

Let the warmongers in Europe try their luck. I understand that UK has 40 operational tanks.
I cant believe I'm actually agreeing with communist Danmand on something :oops:
 

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Not necessarily. Formal attire that's custom for diplomatic talks in their homeland would be accepted- which in Z's case is a business suit. Trump should have strapped him back in the booster seat of that Suburban and said you can come back when you're dressed like a big boy not in pyjamas!
That is for the other country to decide, not the US.
 

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That is for the other country to decide, not the US.
When French diplomatic envoys had an audience with Vlad the Impaler in 1459, the diplomats declined to remove their hats, citing a religious custom. Commending them on their religious devotion, Vlad ensured that their hats would forever remain on their heads by having the hats nailed to the diplomats' skulls
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I hope you Lefties realize if we continue this Ukraine war, and this thing go nuclear, there wont be much left of this world??

I hope you're all okay with that??!!!
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Not necessarily. Formal attire that's custom for diplomatic talks in their homeland would be accepted- which in Z's case is a business suit. Trump should have strapped him back in the booster seat of that Suburban and said you can come back when you're dressed like a big boy not in pyjamas!
Zelensky is currently at war.
Yes he has access to suits and he used to wear suits before the war started.
But now it would appear out of place when his country is being invaded.
So it is part of his stage managed persona to wear a pullover, and it drives home the message that he is at war trying to negotiate for Ukraine's sovereignty and not there to sign a cozy mineral deal with the US to make Trump look good.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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We are royally screwed. All 3 Canadian political parties are firmly behind this insanity.

I NEVER thought I would consider Canada joining USA
If/When the EU starts losing against Russia, China might start to flex its muscles in South China Sea, which means they take Taiwan, which means all hell will break loose around the world, which means the US will have to get involved. And then, all hell will break loose!!
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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I hope you Lefties realize if we continue this Ukraine war, and this thing go nuclear, there wont be much left of this world??

I hope you're all okay with that??!!!
It won't go nuclear.
We were much closer to nuclear war during the cold war and it did not happen.
We are nowhere close to such threats today.
But it is the threat of such a possibility that will get Putin to back down.
In any case even if this threat is true, then why don't you demand that Russia back down? It affects them too.
And they were the ones who unlawfully invaded.
Why should the victim here surrender their land and sovereignty to Russia, their natural resources to the US and allow themselves to be raped?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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We are royally screwed. All 3 Canadian political parties are firmly behind this insanity.

I NEVER thought I would consider Canada joining USA.
But your agenda here is not stopping WW3.
Your agenda here is anti-Americanism or more broadly, anti-west sentiment.
That is usually common amongst old school leftists.
 
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