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Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

mitchell76

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That probably qualifies as the most inane and asinine comment you have ever posted on Terb - which given your illustrious posting history is really quite the accomplishment.
Why?? There have been no wars when Trump has been President. Including Trump's 4yr first presidential term!! It was under Biden's watch, that "all hell broke loose." Putin realized that Biden was a weak loser, who could be taken advantage of!!.....LMAO
 

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Why?? There have been no wars when Trump has been President. Including Trump's 4yr first presidential term!! It was under Biden's watch, that "all hell broke loose." Putin realized that Biden was a weak loser, who could be taken advantage of!!.....LMAO
Afghanistan happened during his watch.
So your admitting Putin was the aggressor I see. OK. We agree.
I agree with you too that because Obama didn't respond as strong on Crimea, that Putin felt Biden would be as feckless. Putin knew he could survive UN votes and sanctions. So, off he went.
I'm glad we agree now and then.
 

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Trump isn't imposing some new dress code. It's proper etiquette for all leaders of other nations to show respect when visiting other leaders at their highest official government buildings dressed properly- not like they're shopping at Walmart.
You don't get to criticize your equals or near equals at a meeting. How about THAT etiquette?
 

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There are serious consequences to electing a man with dementia to the presidency.

Sleepy Joe's incompetence was instrumental in what's occurring now.

Be thankful that the USA dodged a bullet by not voting for Harris to succeed him. She'd cackle her way into WW3 without knowing it (all with the blessings of Zelensky, who wanted her to win).

The heavy lifting of resolving the conflict now rests with people that know how to negotiate peace.

You might disagree with their tactics and strategies but nobody has a better chance of achieving it than them.
 
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mitchell76

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You don't get to criticize your equals or near equals at a meeting. How about THAT etiquette?
Why not?? Zelensky is not entitled to dress like a "bum", when he met Trump at the White House. It's like going for an executive job interview, wearing dirty jeans and a torn t-shirt.....LMAO
 

kherg007

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Those were not my words.
Apologies that i misinterpreted. But I saw it in the context of your line and .... However, you know what is your intention is better than I hence I defer.
Carry on.
 

WyattEarp

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Defending your country is perverse? Defending it from invaders is perverse?
These were not my words.

I cannot fathom why any man would think that way if their country was invaded. The Russians are thugs, they rape and murder and pillage (they did that in the occupied zones) so why would you let them take over your own country?
The Ukrainians need no encouragement to fight. They only want the tools and supplies to defend themselves.

I'd like the talk to be around Putin ceasing operations. Pulling back. Then going to the Ukrainians and getting them to agree to shut it down. But the Russians did not honor their previous guarantee. They have been committing war crimes. Putin has been labeled a war criminal. Zelenskyy knows, like any military leader knows who has dealt with the Russians knows, a cease fire without something that hard and fast guarantees no further hostilities is simply allowing Putin to re-arm to gear up for another offensive. Think of the 800,000 Russian lives sacrificed too. Many of those recruits lied to as well.

There is a clear end goal. Get the fuck out of my country. Stop the rocket attacks on my civilians, hospitals, schools, and power grid. Russian 100% controls this war. If Ukraine stops, it ceases to exist as a sovereign country. Thus I 100% understand why the Ukrainians fight.

Having the US president parrot Kremlin talking points is a disgrace.
Now...I'm not naive enough to think Ukraine won't have to give something up. I think we all agree on that.
Completely pushing the Russians out likely won't happen either. But until the Russians stop this won't end. And without some guarantee like an EU army in a DMZ or something like that, Zelenskyy knows Putin will not honor any agreement to stop fighting. He'll stop for a bit, like a month, rearm, the fake some incident about Ukrainians murdering some russian grandmother then use that as a pretext to continue the assault. Remember they tried that before the invasion but US intelligence reported their ruse about 24 hours before they tried it so the world knew it was bs.
You presume that many of us don't want to punish Russia. We just don't think it's achievable on the battlefield.
This is not a new debate. This won't even be the last war where these inflamed discussions take place.
 

kherg007

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Why not?? Zelensky is not entitled to dress like a "bum", when he met Trump at the White House. It's like going for an executive job interview, wearing dirty jeans and a torn t-shirt.....LMAO
Whats your take on Elon's dress mitch?
 
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Not an argument, however. Much easier said than done.

The challenge is what kind of deal.
As most negotiations go, the devil is in the details.
As in most wars, the devil is in the choices.
 
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kherg007

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Well it's a little bit better then Zelensky's----LOL However, Elon doesn't have to impress anybody, as he's already the richest man in the world!!
He was an underling of President Trump, whereas Z was an equal head of state.
That guy from India Modi doesn't weat a suit either. Kim Jong IL doesn't either.
 
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Trump was trying to end the war quickly, but Zelensky is too unreasonable and greedy!!
Hey mitchell, You are hilarious!!
Trump and Vance were deliberately trying to insult Zelenskyy in the manner that they were mentioning all falsehoods regarding Ukraine's role in the conflict.
Do you believe that Ukraine's "dictator" is Zelenskyy?
Also do you buy Trump's falsehood that Ukraine "Started" the war with Russia?

Well no wonder not only Trump, but several Republicans are now getting heckled and booed every time they have an event!!

Trump RUNS TO GOLF and GETS BOOED EVERYWHERE

 
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mitchell76

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He was an underling of President Trump, whereas Z was an equal head of state.
That guy from India Modi doesn't weat a suit either. Kim Jong IL doesn't either.
Maybe so, but Trump has more respect for Modi and Kim Jong IL. IMHO, if Zelensky was smart he would have worn a suit when meeting Trump. Trump already was pre-meeting, pissed off at Zelensky for costing the US $350 Billion, under Biden's watch. All I'm saying is the fact that Zelensky dressed like a "homeless" person, didn't help Zelensky's cause. Especially in front of the whole world, as this meeting was in public, and thanks to social media, basically in front of "the whole world."

Like I said upthread, what's the point of dressing up for a job interview?? Answer, it's to make a good impression on the person who is interviewing you. Zelensky right off the bat, certainly didn't make a good impression on Trump, that's for sure!!
 

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Maybe so, but Trump has more respect for Modi and Kim Jong IL. IMHO, if Zelensky was smart he would have worn a suit when meeting Trump. Trump already was pre-meeting, pissed off at Zelensky for costing the US $350 Billion, under Biden's watch. All I'm saying is the fact that Zelensky dressed like a "homeless" person, didn't help Zelensky's cause. Especially in front of the whole world, as this meeting was in public, and thanks to social media, basically in front of "the whole world."

Like I said upthread, what's the point of dressing up for a job interview?? Answer, it's to make a good impression on the person who is interviewing you. Zelensky right off the bat, certainly didn't make a good impression on Trump, that's for sure!!
The costume Zelensky wore had nothing to do with the result of the meeting. Trump goodnaturely needled Zelensky about the costume, but that is just the American way.
The real reason was that Zelensky broke the agreement and came with new demands. Then Trump created a blowup for the gallery.
 

kherg007

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Two points. They all think Russia sucks.
None of them have plans to invade Russia.
Sweden and Finland joined because of this invasion of Ukraine. Nobody trusts Russia.
They used to, but no longer, trust the USA.
Look for nuclear proliferation in Asia.
 
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