Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[oil&gas]

JD Vance tooki a ski trip and showed the novice skier he his! Family had to be spirited away to another resort as he was met by protesters with some signs saying :GO SKI IN Russia.

How about 'GO fighting Putin in Ukraine' for those Zelensky fan boys?

 

[richaceg]

So in short, be brings nothing. Got it.
This is like saying "I want to work" when some one asks you "why should I give you this job".

That's kind of a dumb assessment...
What do you think is gonna happen if someone will not broker a peace deal? there will be no peace... LoL...Zelensky can go find someone he thinks can broker a peace deal...that is if "peace" is what he wants...it seems like his more interested in the billions he will get if the war doesn't stop...Lol...he ain't getting a cent from Drumph...

 

[Valcazar]

Brokering the peace deal is what he brings to the table...why you keep insisting he's "asking for payment" is beyond me...all he wants is a deal..

Yes, all he wants is a deal.
He won't broker the peace without it, according to you.

Now, that would be different from "I want a deal or I will no longer send you weapons" but Trump still being interested in brokering a deal.

 

[Valcazar]

What do you think is gonna happen if someone will not broker a peace deal? there will be no peace..

But you yourself has said Trump has no ability to broker the deal.
He can't promise he can get Putin to the table or to agree to anything, has already said that Putin should get all kinds of concessions, and has said that he can't work with Zelensky.

So pretty clearly no one should be letting Trump broker this deal, since you admit he can't do it. (And, again, he already promised he could do it before January and failed utterly.)

So why should people be paying him for services he can't deliver on?

 

[richaceg]

Yes, all he wants is a deal.
He won't broker the peace without it, according to you.

Now, that would be different from "I want a deal or I will no longer send you weapons" but Trump still being interested in brokering a deal.

Well, if Zelensky wants US backing, it's not for free...Trump is mandated by people to fix the economy and he promised to cut costs...you think it's advisable for him to sign over billions of dollars and not get a deal? C'mon dude...you will be crying here that he's cutting USAID and then turn around and give Ukraine billions...Americans would be pissed if he just gives away tax money without getting a minerals deal...what part of that don't you get?

 

[richaceg]

But you yourself has said Trump has no ability to broker the deal.
He can't promise he can get Putin to the table or to agree to anything, has already said that Putin should get all kinds of concessions, and has said that he can't work with Zelensky.

So pretty clearly no one should be letting Trump broker this deal, since you admit he can't do it. (And, again, he already promised he could do it before January and failed utterly.)

So why should people be paying him for services he can't deliver on?

Where did I say he has no ability to broker a deal? Of all the world leaders right now, who do you think has the ability to sit down with Putin? What I said was there is no guarantee a peace deal would be meet. LoL...so tell me val, is the option fund Ukraine and fight Russia? US is already 175B in on that with abysmal results...keep funding? or have a sit down and see if peace can be achieved? what's your input?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

That's kind of a dumb assessment...
What do you think is gonna happen if someone will not broker a peace deal? there will be no peace... LoL..

Dumb assessment?
That's rich coming from someone who has been making painfully idiotic comments all morning.
To broker a peace deal Trump needs to bring something to the table.
Right now he brings nothing and he is mischaracterizing a protection racket as brokering a peace deal.
Rightfully Zelensky sees right through it and is standing his ground.

 

[oil&gas]

If it was just some country being invaded then no country would have funded Ukraine.
Western nations have an interest in Europe and particularly in containing Russia.

After this year do you think we can spend less money on national
defence against Russia than what it would have been without Trudeau's
military aid to Ukraine?

 

[richaceg]

Dumb assessment?
That's rich coming from someone who has been making painfully idiotic comments all morning.
To broker a peace deal Trump needs to bring something to the table.
Right now he brings nothing and he is mischaracterizing a protection racket as brokering a peace deal.
Rightfully Zelensky sees right through it and is standing his ground.

yes a dumb assessment...
Brokering a peace deal means, you are able to have a relationship to both parties and draft a resolution that could get both parties to agree with...being the POTUS is what he brings to the table...LoL. and Zelensky won't have a ground to stand on if US walks away...LoL

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

After this year do you think we can spend less money on national
defence against Russia than what it would have been without Trudeau's
military aid to Ukraine?

That's a good bunch of words.
But they dont convey any meaning.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

yes a dumb assessment...
Brokering a peace deal means, you are able to have a relationship to both parties and draft a resolution that could get both parties to agree with...being the POTUS is what he brings to the table...LoL.

Then I guess there is no reason to ask Zelensky to sign a mineral deal.

 

[Valcazar]

Well, if Zelensky wants US backing, it's not for free...Trump is mandated by people to fix the economy and he promised to cut costs...you think it's advisable for him to sign over billions of dollars and not get a deal? C'mon dude...you will be crying here that he's cutting USAID and then turn around and give Ukraine billions...Americans would be pissed if he just gives away tax money without getting a minerals deal...what part of that don't you get?

I do get it.
Trump is highly transactional and thinks the US should be paid protection money.

But clarify something for me.
At this point are you arguing Trump won't end the war without being paid (well, "act as a broker and see if Putin wants to end the war") or are you arguing that Trump is demanding money to pay for weapons, but still wants to end the war regardless?

 

[richaceg]

Then I guess there is no reason to ask Zelensky to sign a mineral deal.

If you're country is in a hole for 175B...maybe asked what the guy has to offer when he asks for another 100 billions? I mean, that's americans tax money, it probably won't fly if americans don't get something back.

 

[oil&gas]

That's a good bunch of words.
But they dont convey any meaning.

Here is a better bunch of words. Those billions of free money
given to Ukraine would serve our nation's security better if spent on
our own defence in the arctic against Russian aggression. We need
to purchase more submarines and fighter jets and we also can spend
more money to pay our troops good salaries.

 

[Valcazar]

Where did I say he has no ability to broker a deal? Of all the world leaders right now, who do you think has the ability to sit down with Putin? What I said was there is no guarantee a peace deal would be meet.

So Trump just wants a cut for something he can't promise to deliver on?
Or, as you have also hinted, the mineral deal is just to get something back for weapons and Trump will broker the peace regardless?
(i.e. If Zelensky doesn't sign, Trump sends no more weapons or aid but still brokers a peace deal.)

And any leader can sit down with Putin. Unless you are arguing that Putin will refuse to negotiate a deal with anyone but Trump there, no matter what they offer?

LoL...so tell me val, is the option fund Ukraine and fight Russia? US is already 175B in on that with abysmal results...keep funding? or have a sit down and see if peace can be achieved? what's your input?

People should absolutely have a sit down.
Are you arguing that the US should stop sending any aid to Ukraine and wipe its hands of the negotiation?
Are you arguing that the US should stop sending any aid to Ukraine but still negotiate a peace deal?
Are you saying that US should send more aid if Zelensky signs the deal, but also negotiate a peace deal?

This is the thing I've pointed out from the beginning - what do you think the link is between the peace negotiations and the minerals deal?

I mean, if your issue is with the 175Billion, then Trump just stops sending money and doesn't worry about the peace deal, right?
Just save the money if that's the only issue.

 

[richaceg]

I do get it.
Trump is highly transactional and thinks the US should be paid protection money.

But clarify something for me.
At this point are you arguing Trump won't end the war without being paid (well, "act as a broker and see if Putin wants to end the war") or are you arguing that Trump is demanding money to pay for weapons, but still wants to end the war regardless?

There won't be weapons needed if he's able to have both sides to come up with an agreement... no one can predict what's gonna happen here...the US are already out 175B and zelensky wants more...war is still going on...If US will able to partner with Ukraine on rare earth minerals, I mean, that probably make Russia think twice (not guaranteed) If that partnership means, there will be 2 or 3 aircraft carriers in the black sea (no troops on the ground) that would probably make Russia stop the offensive (no guarantees). Having the deal won't make it a "wasteful spending" now is it? you guys really just expect Trump to hand over more billions without a deal...if he does that...what's next for the left to whine about? that he's weak...and gave up easily and gave away billions of $$$...the US is bleeding $$$...wouldn't it be good to have a leader who doesn't throw away money?

 

[Valcazar]

Then I guess there is no reason to ask Zelensky to sign a mineral deal.

To be fair, Trump has already said there is no reason for Zelensky to be part of the negotiations at all.
Trump and Putin will decide what is fair and impose it on Zelensky.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Vance says Trump hasn't conceded anything to Putin

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[The Mechanic]

Can someone explain to me why the media doesn’t pick up on this? Putin wants to take over Ukraine, Trump wants Canada to be the 51st state. Other than one uses force and the other one uses economic force, what’s the difference between the two to me they’re the same. Nowhere has the media picked up on this, probably give a pass to the America media they’re all scared for their jobs. Your thoughts.

 

[richaceg]

So Trump just wants a cut for something he can't promise to deliver on?
Or, as you have also hinted, the mineral deal is just to get something back for weapons and Trump will broker the peace regardless?
(i.e. If Zelensky doesn't sign, Trump sends no more weapons or aid but still brokers a peace deal.)

And any leader can sit down with Putin. Unless you are arguing that Putin will refuse to negotiate a deal with anyone but Trump there, no matter what they offer?



People should absolutely have a sit down.
Are you arguing that the US should stop sending any aid to Ukraine and wipe its hands of the negotiation?
Are you arguing that the US should stop sending any aid to Ukraine but still negotiate a peace deal?
Are you saying that US should send more aid if Zelensky signs the deal, but also negotiate a peace deal?

This is the thing I've pointed out from the beginning - what do you think the link is between the peace negotiations and the minerals deal?

I mean, if your issue is with the 175Billion, then Trump just stops sending money and doesn't worry about the peace deal, right?
Just save the money if that's the only issue.

well US could easily walk away too?
Of course Trump wants a cut for the US...that 175B is on Biden... it's quite obvious, 175B went to waste without the war ending...

If any leader can sit down with Putin...what the fuck was going on in the last 3 years?