Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

mandrill

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And the gravy train comes to an end. But seriously though how much $$ has he stashed overseas. I wouldn't be shocked if its close to a billion.
That's been repeatedly debunked as a Kremlin talking point. Fact is that Z spend zero $ on himself and most of the US money was spent in the US on sending American equipment to Ukraine.
 

Frankfooter

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I remember a report a few years ago that Joe Biden was furious with Zelenkyy on a call once. Later it was learned that Biden was screaming at him...It was over US aid and how Zelenskyy was applying social media pressure to the Biden presidency.

Zelenskyy is a relentless fundraiser and knows how to play the social media game. I read that when he got elected. He barely gave any interviews to journalists. He campaigned using YouTube for the most part..
Do you also remember that trump was impeached the first time for trying to blackmail Zelensky?
 

WyattEarp

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Trump calls them "raw earth" minerals. :ROFLMAO:

This clown thinks the Periodic Table" is where women have to sit when they are on the rag, and thereby enduring he doesn't grab those ones by the pussy.
I presume you won't do two shows a night.
 
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shack

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You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.
What makes you think that Russias only way to get at Canada is directly from the west? It looks to be the easiest directionally but less easy militarily by coming from a more northeastward route.

Do you think things out before you post? You've had some very curious ones today.
 

WyattEarp

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The chief one being a lot of their soldiers died fighting and they were having manpower issues.
Recruitment and Manpower are different equations.
It's a roll of the dice to think Putin won't conscript more troops.

Dice you don't have my friend? ;)
 

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Trying to stay in a Happy Place
I love how Trump is schooling Zelensky.......LMAO I totally believe that if Trump was the President in 2020, there would have been no Russian/Ukraine war. Putin is afraid of Trump!!
What evidence do you have that supports your claims?

And please don't revert to your usual endless barrage of video clips and links to obscure news sources.
 

WyattEarp

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What makes you think that Russias only way to get at Canada is directly from the west? It looks to be the easiest directionally but less easy militarily by coming from a more northeastward route.

Do you think things out before you post? You've had some very curious ones today.
I think that's what I said.

Via Greenland on the Risk Board was sarcastic humor, but there was some truth to it.
 

mandrill

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Didn't California recruit prisoners to fight the wildfires?

There could be several reasons for the Russians to be doing so. It's cheap, quick and has relatively low impact politically.
I wouldn't necessarily presume the Russians are running out of manpower.
They're not running out of manpower per se. But the equation is far more complicated.

1. They cannot institute conscription without destabilizing the regime and imperiling the only guy who really counts in Russia. He doesn't want to end up in a shallow grave at the side of a road in Siberia and so he avoids doing stuff that would annoy too many of his subjects.
2. To make troops effective, they must be trained and motivated. Conscripts are neither. At this point, Russia is doing human wave attacks with massive artillery prep and security forces with machine guns "encouraging" the conscripts to charge "valiantly". This nets Russia marginal gains every few weeks, but nothing major. Whether this remains viable, remains to be seen. When those artillery pieces wear out, then it's human wave attacks without artillery prep.....
3. There is less and less equipment to give to the shitty untrained troops.

So the Russian army is increasingly ineffective and there is probably no solution for this.
 

shack

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I think this is bullshit. Zelenskyy did not just show up to sign a minerals deal. Framing it that way and stating that American business interests inside Ukraine would protect them is bullshit. Sounds to me like they get the deal, watch as Russia continued, then demand a surrender to "protect American Business interests".

This about American isolationism, and the eventual dissolution of NATO imo. They want to to get America out of Europe, concentrate on NA and Central America. It's so damn stupid and myopic.

I think between this and his domestic agenda the midterms will end this.
I really, really hope you're right.
 

mandrill

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Russia GDP US$2 trillion
UK GDP US$3.5 trillion
France GDP US$3.1 trillion
Germany GDP US$4.5 trillion
Italy GDP US$2.3 trillion
U.S. GDP US$28 trillion
As you can see the US has more than double that of UK, France, Germany and Italy combined. It has funded a majority of the war effort. Zelenksy must realize that. If the US walks away he cannot rely on Europe solely.
He can.

Look at the list of GDP's you just wrote. And try and think about it for a second or two. I know that's difficult for you.
 

mandrill

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You actually believe no money has been siphoned off during this war by corrupt politicians?
Not in the amounts that Kremlin propaganda have suggested and not by Z.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Russia GDP US$2 trillion
UK GDP US$3.5 trillion
France GDP US$3.1 trillion
Germany GDP US$4.5 trillion
Italy GDP US$2.3 trillion
U.S. GDP US$28 trillion
As you can see the US has more than double that of UK, France, Germany and Italy combined. It has funded a majority of the war effort. Zelenksy must realize that. If the US walks away he cannot rely on Europe solely.
The GDP of EU is 20T. 10 times that of Russia.
I think EU can very well support Ukraine and hold its own against Russia.
 

mandrill

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Regardless of one's sentiment here, the Ukraine is going to be very costly to the West for years to come.
Not as costly as the Baltics, Scandinavia, Romania and Poland would be if they did nothing.
 
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Anbarandy

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If you want Ukraine's rare earth minerals, you'd have to at the very least be able to guarantee their safety for the foreseeable future.
It is not like the US does not have any experience with that sort of thing.
Do you think Zelensky will just sign away his country's natural resources in return for nothing?
No, no, no ..... you got it all wrong.

What Trump was/is saying is:

"You can trust me and Putin to have your back."
 

Anbarandy

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When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.
Howz your basement, video gamer anarchist club shaping up?

U guyz doing field training in Muskoka yet?
 

mandrill

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The Soviet Russia called it "liberation" that's why I put quotes around it. I believe they propped up local communist militias and absorbed these former regions of Russia into the Soviet Union.
They actually conquered all of those regions with a large army.
 
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