Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

WyattEarp

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Is that why Russia had to recruit from their prisons?
Didn't California recruit prisoners to fight the wildfires?

There could be several reasons for the Russians to be doing so. It's cheap, quick and has relatively low impact politically.
I wouldn't necessarily presume the Russians are running out of manpower.
 

mandrill

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And the gravy train comes to an end. But seriously though how much $$ has he stashed overseas. I wouldn't be shocked if its close to a billion.
That's been repeatedly debunked as a Kremlin talking point. Fact is that Z spend zero $ on himself and most of the US money was spent in the US on sending American equipment to Ukraine.
 

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I remember a report a few years ago that Joe Biden was furious with Zelenkyy on a call once. Later it was learned that Biden was screaming at him...It was over US aid and how Zelenskyy was applying social media pressure to the Biden presidency.

Zelenskyy is a relentless fundraiser and knows how to play the social media game. I read that when he got elected. He barely gave any interviews to journalists. He campaigned using YouTube for the most part..
Do you also remember that trump was impeached the first time for trying to blackmail Zelensky?
 

WyattEarp

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Trump calls them "raw earth" minerals. :ROFLMAO:

This clown thinks the Periodic Table" is where women have to sit when they are on the rag, and thereby enduring he doesn't grab those ones by the pussy.
I presume you won't do two shows a night.
 
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shack

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You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.
What makes you think that Russias only way to get at Canada is directly from the west? It looks to be the easiest directionally but less easy militarily by coming from a more northeastward route.

Do you think things out before you post? You've had some very curious ones today.
 

northofsixty

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I love how Trump is schooling Zelensky.......LMAO I totally believe that if Trump was the President in 2020, there would have been no Russian/Ukraine war. Putin is afraid of Trump!!
What evidence do you have that supports your claims?

And please don't revert to your usual endless barrage of video clips and links to obscure news sources.
 

WyattEarp

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What makes you think that Russias only way to get at Canada is directly from the west? It looks to be the easiest directionally but less easy militarily by coming from a more northeastward route.

Do you think things out before you post? You've had some very curious ones today.
I think that's what I said.

Via Greenland on the Risk Board was sarcastic humor, but there was some truth to it.
 

mandrill

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Didn't California recruit prisoners to fight the wildfires?

There could be several reasons for the Russians to be doing so. It's cheap, quick and has relatively low impact politically.
I wouldn't necessarily presume the Russians are running out of manpower.
They're not running out of manpower per se. But the equation is far more complicated.

1. They cannot institute conscription without destabilizing the regime and imperiling the only guy who really counts in Russia. He doesn't want to end up in a shallow grave at the side of a road in Siberia and so he avoids doing stuff that would annoy too many of his subjects.
2. To make troops effective, they must be trained and motivated. Conscripts are neither. At this point, Russia is doing human wave attacks with massive artillery prep and security forces with machine guns "encouraging" the conscripts to charge "valiantly". This nets Russia marginal gains every few weeks, but nothing major. Whether this remains viable, remains to be seen. When those artillery pieces wear out, then it's human wave attacks without artillery prep.....
3. There is less and less equipment to give to the shitty untrained troops.

So the Russian army is increasingly ineffective and there is probably no solution for this.
 

shack

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I think this is bullshit. Zelenskyy did not just show up to sign a minerals deal. Framing it that way and stating that American business interests inside Ukraine would protect them is bullshit. Sounds to me like they get the deal, watch as Russia continued, then demand a surrender to "protect American Business interests".

This about American isolationism, and the eventual dissolution of NATO imo. They want to to get America out of Europe, concentrate on NA and Central America. It's so damn stupid and myopic.

I think between this and his domestic agenda the midterms will end this.
I really, really hope you're right.
 

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That's been repeatedly debunked as a Kremlin talking point. Fact is that Z spend zero $ on himself and most of the US money was spent in the US on sending American equipment to Ukraine.
You actually believe no money has been siphoned off during this war by corrupt politicians?
 

mandrill

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Russia GDP US$2 trillion
UK GDP US$3.5 trillion
France GDP US$3.1 trillion
Germany GDP US$4.5 trillion
Italy GDP US$2.3 trillion
U.S. GDP US$28 trillion
As you can see the US has more than double that of UK, France, Germany and Italy combined. It has funded a majority of the war effort. Zelenksy must realize that. If the US walks away he cannot rely on Europe solely.
He can.

Look at the list of GDP's you just wrote. And try and think about it for a second or two. I know that's difficult for you.
 
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