Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[DesRicardo]

If they were willing to go to war, why would the Russians voluntarily give up territory? And what territory should they give up? Back to 2013 borders or 2021 borders? Does that include Crimea?

That's my main point. Peace is not a form of security.

What does Trump say they should give back?

 

[nottyboi]

I'm saying people of these Eastern Euro backgrounds are more passionate about fighting the war than the average American.

Perhaps I am not tying all my posts together, but I was alluding to the U.S.' containment policy with the Soviet Union. The objective wasn't to seek defeat of the Soviet Union on a battlefield, but rather contain them and make it costly for them to pursue expansion and influence.

Fortunately, the Baltics, Poland, etc. escaped Soviet Russian domination after 45 years.

Yes they are hotheads. Yes weakening Russia was certainly a goal. But the Russian economy grew, their mic expanded vastly and their military is now the most hardened and advanced infantry on the planet.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How does this make any sense? How is peace a form of security?

You're right, escalating this thing to world war 3 is a much better form of security

 

[mandrill]

U.S. troops started arriving in 1917. The collapse of Germany is also a very good analogy in this context.

SMH.

American Expeditionary Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can read it for yourself.

By the way, how did that Russian collapse in World War I end for the Ukraine?

Why is that a relevant question?

You can fancy yourself a history expert, but you can't predict which side will fold first and what a new Russian regime would look like.

No one can do that, Earp. Just like no one could predict what happened in Russia in 1917 - or in Syria in 2025 for that matter.

You just note tendencies and probabilities and see how things turn out.

 

[mandrill]

Yes they are hotheads. Yes weakening Russia was certainly a goal. But the Russian economy grew, their mic expanded vastly and their military is now the most hardened and advanced infantry on the planet.

Notty, do you actually watch or read anything to do with the war that's not solid Kremlin agitprop?

 

[bver_hunter]

Even Fox News is admitting that the EU Nations are backing Zelenskyy over TrumPutin and his ass kisser Vance!!

World leaders back Zelenskyy following Trump, Vance Oval Office spat
EU chief diplomat says it has become clear the 'free world needs a new leader' after Trump reprimanded Zelenskyy

World leaders back Zelenskyy following Trump, Vance Oval Office spat

World leaders pledge support for Ukraine and emphasize Russia is the "aggressor" following the Oval Office spat in which the Trump administration accused President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of being "disrespectful."

www.foxnews.com

 

[SchlongConery]

Yes they are hotheads. Yes weakening Russia was certainly a goal. But the Russian economy grew, their mic expanded vastly and their military is now the most hardened and advanced infantry on the planet.

Hardened? As in rigor mortis?

As for the other stuff... yup Russia, or at least the oligarchs and those in the middle and upper classes prospered once free of the failed Soviet Union. You know.. ''the greatest geopolitical tragedy in that century"

But Putin has pissed it all away on his Weekend at Zelenskyy's misadventures.

 

[DesRicardo]

This is a pretty clueless statement.

You don't understand what you're talking about. This whole world is filled with bad characters.

How do you shake hands with a snake?

 

[bver_hunter]

So much of we will end all the Wars in 24 hours!!

 

[SchlongConery]

Yes, but Trump is now the most powerful man, in the world!!

Soon to be was.

‬Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the leader of the free world right now, and Ukraine is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

 

[DesRicardo]

So you are saying war is better then peace for security? A peace can have a framework and agreements on military reduction, troop dispositions. verification mechanisms, permanent borders. etc etc.

What framework did Trump provide.

Zelensky asked a simple question on guaranteeing safety and Trump nor Vance could answer.

Go ask the Palestinians how great Trump "peace deals" are.

Trump says no right of return for Palestinians under Gaza takeover plan

He says his proposed US takeover of Gaza would involve "building a permanent place" for the population.

www.bbc.com

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Thoughts on Saagar's interpretation of today's event?

Mental gymnastics to turn it around and blame Zelensky for something Vance and Trump started.
Its the MAGA playbook.
Trump does something.
His fanbois run around trying to intellectualize it and make it more palatable.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Vance is a marine vet who served in Iraq and graduated from Yale law school so he is tough and smart and a weasel and a bitch and a liar and a syncophant

He must know, like others who follow Trump , that Trump is a fool
yet he supports him

I do not understand why? Is it all about power?

What we need are more women and gay leaders as they actually do care about people more than wealth and power and they do not have male ego

He is an opportunist.
In 2016 he as calling Trump names.
And here we are.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

What's interesting is that left-wingers are usually all about peace, and they have now become warmongerers.

And right-wingers who usually like war, have now become peacenicks

 

[Robert Mugabe]

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Orange cunt and his protege Vance. Trump showing his true statesmanship wants Zelinsky to grovel and sign away his country's mineral rights and let Putin occupy his country without returning prisoners, kidnapped children, cleaning up the destroyed cities he created with his wealth.
Never seen such a cunt.

 

[DesRicardo]

You're right, escalating this thing to world war 3 is a much better form of security

Russia and who, NK?

Better watch out.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Yes they are hotheads. Yes weakening Russia was certainly a goal. But the Russian economy grew, their mic expanded vastly and their military is now the most hardened and advanced infantry on the planet.

That is funny.
Their infantry is one of the most undisciplined armies.
The Ukraine war showed us that.

 

[mellowjello]

The movie version of Vance demanding respect

 

[DesRicardo]

What's interesting is that left-wingers are usually all about peace, and they have now become warmongerers.

And right-wingers who usually like war, have now become peacenicks

I actually find it funny he gave Israel more bombs but none you guys are complaining about that.

I thought he was about not helping war?

 

[squeezer]