Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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He's not distraught.
People who think they can take advantage of the chaos and come out in better shape welcome it.
He's perfectly safe, as he has reminded us repeatedly.
It won't affect him, so let it burn.
He will be able to take advantage in the wreckage.
This why exactly why I don't trust today's media. They spin the narrative one way or another.
So... I decided to watch the ENTIRE conference which is about 50 minutes long. It was pretty friendly for about 40 minutes, until Zelensky escalated things.
Watch the entire conference for yourself, THEN make up your mind.
Trump was not pissed at all. He was in his natural habitat. He barked, as usual. He is just a fucking bully. The US should be ashamed to be lead by that idiot.
This struck me more as a work, honestly.
They staged it to ambush Zelensky.
They wanted this for the domestic audience and they have the machinery to stick their narrative.
Case in point
The whole point here was to use this to justify what they already wanted to do.
Trumputin is a disaster.
US 'Problems Get Worse' if Russia Wins: Career Diplomat Reacts to Trump, Zelenskiy Blowup
Thats real smart, bite the hand that feeds you
Somewhat, but a parliamentary election doesn't work the same as a presidential one - especially one with the electoral college.
So the effects of being off are less dramatic.
Tell that to Hitler and the Japanese.
Facing the Red Army was worse then the nukes.Her shit show would have been different. She would have have overseen the continued proxy war in Ukraine. No chance at a peace deal, billions spent. And Americans not happy about it.
I agree very different trade dynamic. But the economic decline due to an inflated stock market, inflated real estate market, and coming recession would have occured. We would still see American subsidiaries laying off Canadian workers, and reduced trade as a result.
I can't predict the Gaza situation, but I think it would have turned out about the same. Syrian collapse occurs. Support about the same. Bibi would have done the same.
Harris would have been weak on foreign policy. I think she would not have been running things nearly as much as you think.
Essentially Ukraine needs Europe to fully step up. American opinion has turned on foreign wars. It was her stance in this that was partially the cause of her loss. So the point is moot. She lost because voters didn't want her. Don't blame voters for outcomes, or anonymous posters on pooner boards. Blame the candidates.
Observations are not outcomes.
He did not escalate anything.
He politely told Vance he was dumb for talking about diplomacy in Russia's favour.
But Vance and Trump being inexperienced with actual diplomacy didn't know how to handle it tactfully and ended up yelling at him.
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True, but at some level accurate polling is needed to understand where the electorate is moving.
NEW: The White House is having press staffers eat President Zelensky's lunch after he was kicked out of the Oval Office, according to Fox News. "Zelensky, we're told, was begging to stay..." "The lunch that they were supposed to have is sitting right outside the hallway, and the press staffers are going to be eating that lunch."
