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UKRAINE: Sec Rubio just got rug pulled. Zelensky assured him the mineral deal was locked in, and Rubio confidently told the president it was a done deal, with Zelensky visiting the White House to sign. Instead, Zelensky shifted the goalposts—demanding US ground troops, knowing Trump wouldn’t agree. Zelensky isn’t an honest broker.
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Fuck Trump. He shifted the goal post on Canada all the time.

The world needs to starve America out.
 

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UKRAINE: Sec Rubio just got rug pulled. Zelensky assured him the mineral deal was locked in, and Rubio confidently told the president it was a done deal, with Zelensky visiting the White House to sign. Instead, Zelensky shifted the goalposts—demanding US ground troops, knowing Trump wouldn’t agree. Zelensky isn’t an honest broker.
https://x.com/amuse/status/1895559986291315150/photo/1
Why would Zelensky give Trumputin mineral rights for nothing in exchange? All he was asking for is security guarantees for the mineral rights, WHY NOT?? How is America going to get the minerals out without Americans on the ground? What right does America have to the minerals without something in exchange? I guess when Trump takes over Canada and says, MITCH I want your house, get out! You will say, yes sir, may I lick your ass before I go.
 

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He doesn't hold anything back that is for sure...But Mitch respectively he should...
Agreed.

I also think Zelensky was performing for the American press.
It likely won't change the Administration's policy.
It will however strengthen his standing back home.

I've said since 2023 there will be a deal that will be unsatisfactory to many. Zelensky will have to look like he fought for a better deal.
 

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Agreed.

I also think Zelensky was performing for the American press.
It likely won't change the Administration's policy.
It will however strengthen his standing back home.

I've said since 2023 there will be a deal that will be unsatisfactory to many. Zelensky will have to look like he fought for a better deal.
The preztelling continues. My GAWD, it there was a Preztel Terb Award, you would be a lock in ! LOL

Zelensky was attacked with nonsense by the VP and he's just supposed to say, yes sir, you're right sir, whatever you say sir. COME ON MAN!!!

 

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The Conservative's slide in the polls is partly because of alternative options to Trudeau but in big part to Trumps election.
There's sentiment and then there's pocket book.

It will be interesting to see if Canadian pollsters have the same difficulty in polling as U.S. pollsters.
 

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You're starting to see the light that Harris would have been a better choice eh? Do you think you would be so distraught if Harris had won?

"I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming."
Harris wouldn't not have prevented the decline in the long term. She is an alcoholic puppet. I started doing this dating back to the first Trump win. And have been predicting this for years now. And was laughed at and called an accelerationist.

And here we are. My criticism of the Democrats came from how ineffective they are, how in bed they are with the same oligarchy now. It's just now Trump is saying the quiet part out loud in his hubris.

In a way he is exposing them for who they all are. I hope Zuck has finished his bunker in Hawaii. He is gonna need it.

I'm not distraught. I'm resigned to this.
 
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Harris wouldn't not have prevented the decline in the long term. She is an alcoholic puppet. I started doing this dating back to the first Trump win. And have been predicting this for years now. And was laughed at and called an accelerationist.

And here we are. My criticism of the Democrats came from how ineffective they are, how in bed they are with the same oligarchy now. It's just now Trump is saying the quiet part out loud in his hubris.

In a way he is exposing them for who they all are. I hope Zuck has finished his bunker in Hawaii. He is gonna need it.

I'm not distraught. I'm resigned to this.
So Harris would have turned on the US's allies, come after Canada, back up Russia and attempt to rob Ukraine of it's minerals for nothing in return? Okay bud, just admit you were wrong for constantly supporting the Repugs under Trumputin over the Dems .
 

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The preztelling continues. My GAWD, it there was a Preztel Terb Award, you would be a lock in ! LOL

Zelensky was attacked with nonsense by the VP and he's just supposed to say, yes sir, you're right sir, whatever you say sir. COME ON MAN!!!

I saw it as Zelensky taking the negotiations to the American press.

I don't remember Vance attacking him. Can you cite what you are referring to? Vance seemed precise and assertive in his words. Trump on the other hand was very pissed and didn't hide it.
 

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I saw it as Zelensky taking the negotiations to the American press.
Why because JD AKA Barney Rubble told you that? Did you like how Zelensky asked him if he actually has ever been to Ukraine before making stupid nonsensical statements?


I don't remember Vance attacking him. Can you cite what you are referring to? Vance seemed precise and assertive in his words. Trump on the other hand was very pissed and didn't hide it.
Watch it again and tell us JD didn't attack which then caused Trumputin to attack...

 
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You're starting to see the light that Harris would have been a better choice eh? Do you think you would be so distraught if Harris had won?

"I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming."
He's not distraught.
People who think they can take advantage of the chaos and come out in better shape welcome it.

He's perfectly safe, as he has reminded us repeatedly.
It won't affect him, so let it burn.
He will be able to take advantage in the wreckage.
 

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I saw it as Zelensky taking the negotiations to the American press.

I don't remember Vance attacking him. Can you cite what you are referring to? Vance seemed precise and assertive in his words. Trump on the other hand was very pissed and didn't hide it.
Trump was not pissed at all. He was in his natural habitat. He barked, as usual. He is just a fucking bully. The US should be ashamed to be lead by that idiot.
 

Valcazar

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There is nothing more to it except that we have a child in office. A dumb, fat, old child with a twit by his side.
This struck me more as a work, honestly.
They staged it to ambush Zelensky.
They wanted this for the domestic audience and they have the machinery to stick their narrative.

Case in point

The whole point here was to use this to justify what they already wanted to do.
 

Valcazar

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There's sentiment and then there's pocket book.

It will be interesting to see if Canadian pollsters have the same difficulty in polling as U.S. pollsters.
Somewhat, but a parliamentary election doesn't work the same as a presidential one - especially one with the electoral college.
So the effects of being off are less dramatic.
 
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Butler1000

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So Harris would have turned on the US's allies, come after Canada, back up Russia and attempt to rob Ukraine of it's minerals for nothing in return? Okay bud, just admit you were wrong for constantly supporting the Repugs under Trumputin over the Dems .
Her shit show would have been different. She would have have overseen the continued proxy war in Ukraine. No chance at a peace deal, billions spent. And Americans not happy about it.

I agree very different trade dynamic. But the economic decline due to an inflated stock market, inflated real estate market, and coming recession would have occured. We would still see American subsidiaries laying off Canadian workers, and reduced trade as a result.

I can't predict the Gaza situation, but I think it would have turned out about the same. Syrian collapse occurs. Support about the same. Bibi would have done the same.

Harris would have been weak on foreign policy. I think she would not have been running things nearly as much as you think.

Essentially Ukraine needs Europe to fully step up. American opinion has turned on foreign wars. It was her stance in this that was partially the cause of her loss. So the point is moot. She lost because voters didn't want her. Don't blame voters for outcomes, or anonymous posters on pooner boards. Blame the candidates.

Observations are not outcomes.
 
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