4 - Nations Tournament

Who Will Win the 4-Nations Tournament?


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Fun For All

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Back to say it again: Canadian hockey is dead. Momentum will keep us competitive for another 5 years or so, but without major changes to programming, it's over. We coasted by on volume for years, but there are now more enrolled players in the US than there are in Canada. Our training programs were out of date 10 years ago, and this is showing up now.

As our enrolment continues to decline, expect the Nordic countries to surpass us as well.
Haha...
 
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Back to say it again: Canadian hockey is dead. Momentum will keep us competitive for another 5 years or so, but without major changes to programming, it's over. We coasted by on volume for years, but there are now more enrolled players in the US than there are in Canada. Our training programs were out of date 10 years ago, and this is showing up now.

As our enrolment continues to decline, expect the Nordic countries to surpass us as well.
It's been tightening up for years now. Which is fine and perfect for the sport. Canada will always be strong but no more a sure thing at any tournament.

Yes, at the same time, Canada went from 151 to 31 in the world ranking in the only true worldwide sport: football!
 
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I stand by it. Out shot, Out hit, Out possessed. Definitely out goal-tended. We gutted out the win, which at this point in time makes me very happy.

Doesn't change the fact that Hockey Canada is a garbage organization that has tilted over the "protecting abusers" line, away from the "teaching kids" side. And it doesn't change anything I said about the next 5 years.

Jalimon alludes to it: We're improving in soccer because that enrolment is up, and Soccer Canada has it right at the moment (though displaced hockey dads are entering coaching at an alarming rate, and are likely to spoil it for the rest of us).
 

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Back to say it again: Canadian hockey is dead. Momentum will keep us competitive for another 5 years or so, but without major changes to programming, it's over. We coasted by on volume for years, but there are now more enrolled players in the US than there are in Canada. Our training programs were out of date 10 years ago, and this is showing up now.

As our enrolment continues to decline, expect the Nordic countries to surpass us as well.
You're half right -- but enrolment in hockey is on the decline in BOTH Canada and the US.

Look at the Top 50 points leaders in the NHL each year -- the US consistently punches below its weight. For god's sake, Mike Modano is considered the best US player of all time, but he's still a "meh" player by Canadian standards.
 

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Also not sure if you guys heard it, but a minority of US fans were initially booing our anthem, but then halfway through the majority of Americans started singing along with our anthem
 

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Doesn't change the fact that Hockey Canada is a garbage organization that has tilted over the "protecting abusers" line, away from the "teaching kids" side. And it doesn't change anything I said about the next 5 years.
Canada Youth hockey has an old fart mentality... Kids get picked at 8 or 9 to the triple-letter team. They are protected from coaches (dads!!) all along preventing other kids who develop later from reaching those triple-letter teams... The kids are fucking 9 years old and picked because they are bigger and faster... But at 14 they can become slouched and slow as molasses while other kids are now fast as rockets but stocked on double or single-letter teams...

Soccer has a much better program for youth development.
 

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I stand by it. Out shot, Out hit, Out possessed. Definitely out goal-tended. We gutted out the win, which at this point in time makes me very happy.

Doesn't change the fact that Hockey Canada is a garbage organization that has tilted over the "protecting abusers" line, away from the "teaching kids" side. And it doesn't change anything I said about the next 5 years.

Jalimon alludes to it: We're improving in soccer because that enrolment is up, and Soccer Canada has it right at the moment (though displaced hockey dads are entering coaching at an alarming rate, and are likely to spoil it for the rest of us).
I'll stand by it also...you don't know a lot about it.

Wow, even when they win they get criticized.
 
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Canada Youth hockey has an old fart mentality... Kids get picked at 8 or 9 to the triple-letter team. They are protected from coaches (dads!!) all along preventing other kids who develop later from reaching those triple-letter teams... The kids are fucking 9 years old and picked because they are bigger and faster... But at 14 they can become slouched and slow as molasses while other kids are now fast as rockets but stocked on double or single-letter teams...

Soccer has a much better program for youth development.
Ya well...that's not the way it is in the youth hockey organization I'm involved in.
 

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Also not sure if you guys heard it, but a minority of US fans were initially booing our anthem, but then halfway through the majority of Americans started singing along with our anthem
Boston is not a Trump town. Never has been, never will be. Boston has more in common with Toronto than it does with Dallas or Florida. Even if they'd never admit it.
 
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I'll stand by it also...you don't know a lot about it.

Wow, even when they win they get criticized.
I've been Development 1 certified in Hockey for 10 years, and C license in soccer for 5. I've been on local and AAA boards in hockey, and run development for hockey and soccer organizations.

My best players are on scholarship in US prep schools, because the OHL pathway is bad for player (and personal) development. My own kids are playing in "outlaw" programs because the development and the accountability is better.

I walked away from Hockey Canada because I couldn't ignore the abuse anymore. Or the money laundering / outright theft. We need a catholic church moment in hockey. How much psychological and physical abuse and sexual assault are you willing to fund with your own money?

Look at what is going on in Brantford right now: Instead of folding a team to protect a kid, they're hiding behind "process" so a board-member and/or sponosor's kid doesn't have to face consequences for their actions.. That is going on in every association in the province right now to a greater or lesser degree. I will bet dollars against doughnuts that if you are involved with a local organization you have heard "That's just kids being kids" or "they're just volunteers" to avoid dealing with abuse.
 
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