That will never happen as Europe has never paid it's fair share to Ukraine. Therefore, this war won't continue!! Trump has already decreased his military support to Ukraine. That's why trump is negotiating with Putin, to end the war!!
Trump cuts off Ukraine at knees, We negotiate peace. then you do what we say.
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That "it will never happen" is not a certainty and it is nothing more than an opinion/an assumption on your part.
Have you heard the saying that "Desperate times call for desperate measures"? It is possible that Europe would be desperate enough to spend more.
Europe will be so desparate it will spend what it mean to have spent
on Ukraine plus more on their own defense. That is just my opinion.
You could have given me your opinion on who won the fights last night and it would have addressed my question equally poorly.
Thanks for the laughing emoji. But here's what I think is your own opinion. You don't have one.
I think that you are supporting whatever trump tells you support. You are supporting Ukraine for no other reason than you are in a cult and you are faithfully, blindly and blissfully doing whatever the cult leader says. In an hour he could change his position and support Ukraine and you'd make a post supporting Ukraine in one second past that hour.
When you are in a cult, you lose the ability to think for yourself. You are no longer an individual, simply a cultist with no free will. Each time any tDSer posts, they prove that point.
I think that you are supporting whatever trump tells you support. You are supporting Ukraine for no other reason than you are in a cult and you are faithfully, blindly and blissfully doing whatever the cult leader says. In an hour he could change his position and support Ukraine and you'd make a post supporting Ukraine in one second past that hour.
When you are in a cult, you lose the ability to think for yourself. You are no longer an individual, simply a cultist with no free will. Each time any tDSer posts, they prove that point.
Latest. The EU has called an emergency meeting for next week and Starmer has indicated that UK troops might be sent to Ukraine as peacekeepers.
Looks like the Pax Americana just ended after 80 years.
Looks like the Pax Americana just ended after 80 years.
Again, succinctly expressed. Direct and to the point. It truly is simple common sense.
Problem with those who are in a cult, are unable to recognize it.
I have a friend whose wife has gone wayyyyyyyy down the Trump rabbit hole to the point of absurdity. It's driving him crazy as she is so totally absorbed in EVERYTHING to do with Trump to the point of not having any interest in anything else in life. Nothing else interests her. They are supremely wealthy and have a beautiful home, cottage and vacation properties that they designed specifically for entertaining. They used to host the best parties, and even just inviting friends over for a bbq and swim in the pool. She was so outgoing, friendly and a wonderfully warm, gracious host. Now? Has NO interest in anyone who isn't a Trump fanatic and they have become socially isolated. Their kids have gone to university far from home and while they were once super close with her, they don't come home hardly at all now.
He has asked to and she refuses to go to a marriage counsellor because she says they will probably be 'a leftie' and against her political ideology.
Poor guy is handling it graciously as he a real classy, decent guy and loyal husband. But his life is miserable over it. And for what? She can't vote for Trump anyways.
Well since it has been made clear that the United States is not a reliable ally, they and the Europeans can take the gloves off and really help Ukraine. The Europeans know Russia and how Russians act.
Trump, on the other hand, couldn't point out any country in Europe on a map without them being labelled. He, like many American's, haven't ever been to Europe and have no real appreciation nor understanding of much past their town, county or state.
Trump ahs been to Russia plenty of times though. Feted as a celebrity and his ego stroked as good as Elon lving him as much as a straight man could love another man. And about as sincerely as the Russians praise for him. He suits both their purposes well.
So let's hope Great Britain and maybe France nd Poland send iin some soldiers and make quick work of the Orcs.
Biggest worry (and proof that Trump is betrothen to Putin) is if Trump lifts the sanctions on Russia and releases the Russian funds held in US banks.
One of the ludicrous bullshit things that the Trump admin has featured so far is the asshole in chief attempting to do shit by executive order. While the president is portrayed by the media as a super hero, in actual fact, he exists to carry out tasks under the legislation that Congress has enacted. The executive "executes" Congress's will. And the president's own ability to enact policy changes is very limited.
I am guessing that it will take a Congressional act to release the Russian funds and another Congressional act to re arrange policy towards Russia and Ukraine.
Exactly my point!
I had a very close friend and mentor to whom I owe a great deal of my success to who became addicted to Rush Limbaugh. It gave him reason to express his hatred of black people through criticizing and hating Obama. To the degree that he became addicted to benzodiazepines anti-anxiety medications. He is CANADIAN! As much as I cared for, appreciated and really enjoyed thousands of hours of great times with him, I simply got sick of his obsession and constant whining, I finally cut him out of my life completely.. It's a real shame because we had so much else in common. Both of us were known Conservative party bagmen but as we got older, he became more selfish, and I became more compassionate and generous towards society. Politics make strange bedfellows... No Homo!
Yes I agree. Problem is that simple folk don't understand the true role of Executives, Managers, Directors and shareholders.
Trump is trying to run the US like he would run his own private company that he is sole shareholder, Chairman of The Executive AND Management Boards... AND President/Chief Executive Officer. And being in business and consulting for multinational publicly traded companies, I know that govt can't be run like a business. Balancing the books aside, govt is there to serve the people, and business is there to serve the interests of the business himself.
Trump is a good con man with a predictable style. He'd make a lousy poker player.
There are a list of things with Trump that make him a wretchedly bad head of state.
1. He has no insight into government. I doubt he even took a Civics class beyond grade 10. His idea of "government" is bribing a few NYC city councillors to cut corners for 1 of his buildings.
2. He's un-intellectual and arrogant and doesn't absorb information. He knows now what he knew at 40 years of age and no more. So he cannot learn, even unintentionally by osmosis about how heads of state are supposed to function.
3. He's a narcissistic bully and an asshole. So everyone who tries to set him straight just annoys him.
4. He believes that running a country is like running a corporation. He knows that the USA is the biggest country. So he transforms that knowledge into believing that the USA can behave like a large, predatory corporation which can bust unions and destroy smaller companies simply by leaning on them. In his first term, this was kept in check and he probably took some coaching about "the proper way to behave" from his cabinet. Now he doesn't give a fuck.
Hence the bizarre shit about annexing Canada and Greenland and forcing Ukraine to sign over its minerals in return for whatever "protection" Trump might be kind enough to offer.
5. He's dumb as fuck about everything except self promotion. He's learned the "script" to politically shmooze over people like Ritchie and Mitchie and he just repeats that endlessly. Like a fraudster's con patter.
6. He's mentally well into decline and is probably quite senile and fucked up.
7. Like a corporate owner, he figures he can put lackeys and ass-kissers into key roles and fire them if they fuck up too badly and thinks that quality doesn't really matter in an executive. So assholes like Hegseth and Patel and RFK Jr - who are clearly unqualified for any senior government position - get cabinet positions.
8. Aside from being flattered and manipulated, he perceives Putin as being another CEO / owner of a world class country and thinks that they can probably just cut back room deals together - because "We're the only ones who really count, baby!"
In the business world, if Amazon and Google want to cut a deal, the second and third rate companies fall in line and do what they're told and are grateful for whatever crumbs are thrown their way. Trump sees the USA as Amazon and Putin's Russia as Google and the other EU countries and Ukraine are 4th and 5th rate players who will be glad to fall into line to avoid getting shafted and shut down by the "big boys".
And the idea of turning Gaza into a beach resort for international jet setters, while the unimportant Palestinians are kicked off somewhere else, takes the idea of countries as predatory corporations playing hardball with the little guys to an absurd new level, of course.
He clearly has no understanding that ideology plays a major role with the Gazans and they will launch a massive terror campaign if anyone seriously attempts to put through the ludicrous plan.
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Yet, the rich European countries like Germany give very little money to Ukraine, and expected the US under that loser Biden, to literally fund Ukraine all by themselves. Trump is having no part of this. These rich European countries, better get off their ass, and give more money to Ukraine, because Trump isn't doing it.
I agree with you MItch. Germany has become very misguided overall and prioritizing the wrong things. Shuutting down their clean nuclear power plants with the pipe dream of solar has resulted in them becoming reliant on Russia. Germany thought Russia would not cause trouble because Russia would be reliant on gas sales to Germany and Europe. Putin thought he could run over Germany, Europe and Ukraine because they were too reliant on Russian gas and oil. They both miscalculated.
Germany was timid for decades to re-develop a relevant military as they (WRONGLY) beleived that Russians had learned their lesson about warmongering Imperialism the hard way as Germany and Japan did. By failing and being humiliated. So they worked to shed their horrific past and earn a reputation as a very productive, high quality country with perhaps too much emphasis on socialized medicine and worker rights etc. they became to most productive, richest and most generous company towards the wellbeing of their citizens. They also pay ridiculous taxes, but they still earn and take home more than other, less taxed countries.
Russians, being who they are, used their failure and reset to find ways to plunder their resources and steal from their countrymen to build the biggest, most opulent mega yachts in the world. Some Russian oligarchs like Abramovich have owned as many as 4 or 5 MEGA Yachts at once! Putin is no doubt the actual richest man in the world. He got this money by acting as the Godfather, keeping peace between various Russian factions/oligarchs by doling out public funds and resources to keep the peace amongst the Robber Baron Russian Oligarchs. Meanwhile the non-oligarchs, non-appararchtik and middle class (if you can call it thAT0 live in abject poverty and get by on tiny government 'pensions". Aka Welfare. About $150 a month. And they spend a fortune on their military to, as putin proudly admits, to correct the biggest geo-political mistake in the history of the world, the collapse and failure of the ussR/Soviet Union. He wants to get the band together again like the old days. Even if he has to kidnap them and their families to force them to play by the Russian Songbook. NOBODY really wants to live under Soviet/Russian (same thing) oppression or living conditions. Those that are doing so are doing so at the end of a gun or for their leaders personal enrichment.
So now that Russia has shown its true colours and invaded a sovereign country who said "no thank you" to Russian governance, several times, Germany has or is coming to the realization that the very reason NATO was created, exists and now has to be strengthend is that the Russian
NOW.... Europe has realized that Russia IS a real, existential threat not only to their own countries, but to Europe as a whole and civilized society in general. And they have earned that the words and promises of the United States are not worth anything. Nothing. They will drop you as fast as Trump would kick a good ole boy MAGA loyalist out of the MAr-a-lardo dining room.
So, they are wisely going to politely disengage from the United States for three reasons. First is that they will likely not be there if as a NATO ally to defend against trump's buddy Putin when he attacks. Second, that they are not a reliable trading partner and will pull the rug out from under your contracted deal on a whim without reasonable discussions... and thrid is because the United States under Trump is talking like Russia in saying they want to take over Greenland and their best, most loyal and reliable ally, Canada. Or destroy our economy in trying to.
So Europe is very wise and prudent to create their own European military alliance without the United States as they have proved to either chicken out or are in cahoots with the ONE enemy of the west nd Europe... Russia.
Canada better get pollievre elected right soon! We don't need Trudeau to spend Carbon Tax money on $60m ArriveScam grifting projects and lesbian pirate theater in Mogadishu. We need forward military. bases with aircraft, drones and ship patrolling and enforcing our northern border. Russia ALREADY has nuclear powered icebreakers and subs that could take over our territorial waters in the north without so much as a shot being fired. And Transactional Trump will stop HIS personal Generals and military from helping keep the Russians at bay.
Can you see where this is going and why freeing up military warehouses of obsolete and expired military hardware by giving away this old stuff to ukraine is a great, pretty much free except for the fuel s=to ship it there is a bargain. Never mind that the USA is gaining invaluable field testing of equipment without losing American servicemen/. Never mind that this war has forever changed warfare to drones... and who knows what the Ukrainians will come up with next in their basement workshops. And whatever it is, you can be sure that they will remember how ONE PRESIDENT is giving the United States a reputation as an unreliable, untrustworthy country. They are not likely to share their new, lost cost-high impact technologies with the United States. the US Military will continue to make good use of the American taxpayer's money by buying more $7,000 hammers, $2,600 toilet seats and flying their President to attend half a super Bowl just so he could stage a lauhable Carnival show announcing a flight over THE GULF OF AMERICA... at a cost of $20 million dollrs! For a day's travel! Only to get booed out of an American Stadium by his own citizens. And not the low rent shaggy beared backwoods Big MOuth Billy Bass types, but people rich enought to afford attending the Super Bowl.
Sorry for the long post, I hope you read and consider it. I don't expect. yuo to lose your wood for that hot redhead, but I hope I have shed some insight on some of the implications.
And I agree that Europe should be spending money to defend itself both from Russia and from the United States. Trump, MJT, etc won't be the last unqualified populist lunatics to be elected.
