Trump cuts off Ukraine at knees, We negotiate peace. then you do what we say.

Frankfooter

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Can anyone explain why the US has to contribute as much as it has to? This would be like if Mexico got invaded by Brazil, and let’s just throw in Cuba for communist sake. Would it make sense for Europe to contribute as much of even more than Ameeica to fight this war.
The US chose to be the world's cop.
They could have put the money into NATO or the UN and made it a world effort.
 

boobtoucher

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You should read this CBC article that compares the language and reasoning Putin used to invade Ukraine with the talk from trump towards Canada.
I would hope you are able to learn something.
Honestly: Trump and Putin are sitting down to carve up Ukraine. Remind me again, what countries is Canada sandwiched between? Any Canadian cheering this solution is cheering for the end of Canada.
 

silentkisser

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As I said before, if it was, the West would be free to demand a UN monitored referendum in the UN, if Russia refused it, it would delegitimize the annexations. But the west probably knows via intel that Russia would accept it and if they won it would fully legitimize the annexations. 97% yes is not that fishy when you consider that place has been under attack since 2014 and anyone who was pro Ukraine probably left. Many people also left for Russia.
It is impossible to say. But, the real answer here is, it doesn't matter. It is Ukrainian territory. It was invaded. They may have forced the removal of anyone who was Ukraine or filled it with Russians. But the reality here is, they should not be allowed to keep territory they took by force. Saying otherwise puts the world in a very dangerous space.
 

silentkisser

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Or righties have the common sense to not get dragged into this conflict...it's time for NATO to stop pursuing Ukraine and time for Ukraine to abandon that dream. US spent almost 70% of the entire NATO aid to ukraine...had the rest of the EU just matched the US funding to Ukraine...Russia wouldn't have been so bold to keep going...but no...everybody expects the US to bail everyone out....why does Zelensky act like he's entitiled to all that funding? Because of Joe's promises...
That is some interesting revisionist history. Did Ukraine start this war??? And....let me ask you this: Who started the war with Iraq? A country that did not harbour the 9/11 planners, nor had weapons of mass destruction....T'was the right. Or...who started WWII? Nazi's. Who, despite the some mouth breathers trying to paint them as leftists, were hard-core right-wingers.

Here is something to consider: Why does Russia get to veto what Ukraine wants to do. Join the EU or NATO is not up to Russia.

And, here's another dirty little secret: The EU and Canada have been buying a lot of US weapons to send to Ukraine, which has made defence stocks rise in value over the past three years.

The reality here is that Ukraine needs help to fight a much larger country. Europe and other allies have given a lot. But, they've also handicapped themselves to avoid escalating things with Russia. But Russia is getting weapons and troops for other countries as well. Trump is a coward and is marching in lockstep with what Putin want's him to do. There is no other explanation. Trump has no leadership ability.
 

silentkisser

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The scenario in such invasions is not quite like what is going
on in the Ukraine War.

Invasion of Canada by Russia will be considered an
attack by other NATO members as an attack on their
ally and military response will be triggered. Invasion
of Canada by the U.S. will be a different situation.
It seems likely Canada would have to fight American invaders
on its own like Iraq.

With Ukraine it is more like NATO's proxy war that initially show the promise of taking
out a potential threat to the west at no cost of human lives and low cost of military and economic aid to the invaded country used as the tool to fight the war. As it turns
out the war is not going well so it seems prudent to opt out of the war though the
U.S. still wants to reap profits from the war by grabbing Ukraine's mineral resources.
It would be a proxy war if the NATO sent troops. The Ukrainians are fighting this on their own, taking a much larger opponent down. Ukraine should not be dictated to what terms they should accept, especially from a Putin fan boy like Trump. He obviously wants Russia to win here, or at least save face. And, to be honest, if this war grinded the Russian military down a lot, GOOD. They are bullies. They invaded Georgia (the country, not the state, I highlight this because of some of the responses on here make me wonder how well educated some folks really are...) under false pretences, claiming Georgia was doing....genocide! Which, obviously was false. And Russia has never left. Now, there can be a strong argument that Bush and Obama did not do enough, because this did happen right in the middle of the presidential campaign. But, it emboldened Russia to think the west wouldn't stop him or punish him. That is why it Europe and NATO need to push back.
 

richaceg

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That is some interesting revisionist history. Did Ukraine start this war??? And....let me ask you this: Who started the war with Iraq? A country that did not harbour the 9/11 planners, nor had weapons of mass destruction....T'was the right. Or...who started WWII? Nazi's. Who, despite the some mouth breathers trying to paint them as leftists, were hard-core right-wingers.

Here is something to consider: Why does Russia get to veto what Ukraine wants to do. Join the EU or NATO is not up to Russia.

And, here's another dirty little secret: The EU and Canada have been buying a lot of US weapons to send to Ukraine, which has made defence stocks rise in value over the past three years.

The reality here is that Ukraine needs help to fight a much larger country. Europe and other allies have given a lot. But, they've also handicapped themselves to avoid escalating things with Russia. But Russia is getting weapons and troops for other countries as well. Trump is a coward and is marching in lockstep with what Putin want's him to do. There is no other explanation. Trump has no leadership ability.
If you're expecting the US to fund Ukraine to fight Russia, how much would that cost the US taxpayers? the problem here is not the US, the problem is NATO and EU not supporting ENOUGH to Ukraine. Like I said, the US economy is in life support and funding half a trillion $$ for a war with Russia what has the EU and NATO have done on their part? You are basically wanting world war if you think the only option is to keep the war going.
 
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silentkisser

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too funny

still backing all the ideological failures of the moron Trudeau?

you should learn how to think for yourself before questioning anyone's IQ
You're like one of those talking dolls. Just need to pull the string to hear the greatest rants of a lame righty:
  • failed ideology
  • Trudeau's a moron
  • Trying to insult someone's intelligence (and failing)....

Actually, I stand corrected. You really only say three things. Trolls gonna troll I suppose....
 

silentkisser

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If you're expecting the US to fund Ukraine to fight Russia, how much would that cost the US taxpayers? the problem here is not the US, the problem is NATO and EU not supporting ENOUGH to Ukraine. Like I said, the US economy is in life support and funding half a trillion $$ for a war with Russia what has the EU and NATO have done on their part? You are basically wanting world war if you think the only option is to keep the war going.
I think we need to realistically talk about what this is costing the US. First, they've sent older equipment and stuff that is surplus. Second, new equipment is the stuff that is being bought by both Europe and the US, which creates US jobs. Also....why do you think the US economy is on life support? That's a new one. Now, after Trump's inflationary moves (like tariffs and reducing the labour pool)...i can see that in the US's future....but now? Nope...
 
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I think we need to realistically talk about what this is costing the US. First, they've sent older equipment and stuff that is surplus. Second, new equipment is the stuff that is being bought by both Europe and the US, which creates US jobs. Also....why do you think the US economy is on life support? That's a new one. Now, after Trump's inflationary moves (like tariffs and reducing the labour pool)...i can see that in the US's future....but now? Nope...
Oh so non of the waste spendings affected the US economy? US already generously are 80+ billion out of pocket to help Ukraine...the US funds is not some coin purse readily available for Ukraine... Should the war keep going or it's best to end it, and the next funding should be for rebuilding Ukraine?
 

JohnLarue

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And I suppose you think emboldening and legitimizing Putin and his aggression is going to bring peace for all... Wow! You are dumber than I thought!
look stupid
if the killing stops after 10 years its a good thing

obviously you want regime change in Russia
while that could be a positive, that is up to the people of Russia to make happen

again the US needs to stop expanding its debt and needs to stop that right now
sending billions upon billions to corrupt Ukraine to perpetuate a killing stalemate needs to stop.

Putin's forces has taken a beating, he will not be aggressive

the flip side of the coin is the West pushing all out to defeat Putin and seek the regime change you have simplistically decided is required
But then he is a wounded cornered animal..... with nuclear weapons. Not good

as unusual you let someone else do your thinking for you, you have picked a side and thus are unable to view matters objectively
 
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I think we need to realistically talk about what this is costing the US. First, they've sent older equipment and stuff that is surplus. Second, new equipment is the stuff that is being bought by both Europe and the US, which creates US jobs. Also....why do you think the US economy is on life support? That's a new one. Now, after Trump's inflationary moves (like tariffs and reducing the labour pool)...i can see that in the US's future....but now? Nope...

the debt the US govt has accumulated over its 240 year history is projected to double in the next 9 years, given the status quo
So yeah this is a debt bomb that will be catastrophic for the US and the world economy

The US govt has to reign in spending and do this right now.

But you get to ignore govt debt because .... in your tiny mind it is other peoples money and not a concern for you.
 
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nottyboi

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It is impossible to say. But, the real answer here is, it doesn't matter. It is Ukrainian territory. It was invaded. They may have forced the removal of anyone who was Ukraine or filled it with Russians. But the reality here is, they should not be allowed to keep territory they took by force. Saying otherwise puts the world in a very dangerous space.
Census data is available after maidan, may Russian Ukrainians fled the western parts of Urkaine, many went to Russia and many to the east. Of course some Russians moved to Crimea, not many to Donbass as its a war torn shithole still. Many Ukrainians are moving back to Mariupol as Russia is repairing the housing and allowing people to claim back their refurbed apartments. Ukrainian territory was invaded but under UN laws of right to protect, its actually legal, and the self determination allows them to secede and join Russia. Its true some in Crimea don't like it for sure. But there are even still Tartars that have stayed and are fighting for Russia from Crimea.
 

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Can anyone explain why the US has to contribute as much as it has to? This would be like if Mexico got invaded by Brazil, and let’s just throw in Cuba for communist sake. Would it make sense for Europe to contribute as much of even more than Ameeica to fight this war.
Simple. The US spends their money where it best suits their interests. You need to ask them if you want more details. Nobody here can answer that question.
 
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nottyboi

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Can anyone explain why the US has to contribute as much as it has to? This would be like if Mexico got invaded by Brazil, and let’s just throw in Cuba for communist sake. Would it make sense for Europe to contribute as much of even more than Ameeica to fight this war.
Because the US wants to. The people in Washington that decided to start this war have all kinds of friends that are making a killing on this war, and the bigger the US share the bigger their share. Its really that simple. New president, different set of cronies to enrich, so policy change. 👍
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You're like one of those talking dolls. Just need to pull the string to hear the greatest rants of a lame righty:
  • failed ideology
  • Trudeau's a moron
  • Trying to insult someone's intelligence (and failing)....

Actually, I stand corrected. You really only say three things. Trolls gonna troll I suppose....
There isn't a single discussion that goes productive with him.
Every discussion ends the same way. lmao,
 
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