Trump cuts off Ukraine at knees, We negotiate peace. then you do what we say.

[boobtoucher]

The main point is that the left is opposed to Russia winning. If they have to keep fighting, it weakens Russia.

If Russia is dashing itself against the rocks of Ukraine's defenders, its fewer orks and tanks that can roll into Canada.

Russia has been a net negative on global stability, and supports conservative/right wing politicians all over the world. The fall of Putin means a more progressive world. Keep arming Ukraine. It means my family is less likely to get drafted into a future conflict.

 

[shack]

They were buying protection for MBS.

Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts (Published 2022)

Before committing $2 billion to Mr. Kushner’s fledgling firm, officials at a fund led by the Saudi crown prince questioned taking such a big risk.

www.nytimes.com

Trump is only in this for himself. He has no morals, no guiding principals, no actual plan.

He functions on two core objectives: "How can I/my family get richer?" and "How can I avoid punishment for all of the illegal shit I do"

There may be a third "how can I install my family as a Kim-family-style dynasty" but I don't know if he's got the capacity for that still.

So: The saudis needed protection last term and bought it. Now Israel is buying protection. I don't think even the most rabid trump supporters can thing that occupying Gaza and defending it forever is in the US's best interest in any way, especially if they have to commit a genocide to do it.

Ok. I understand what you're saying. Thanks.

That's not really what OAG and I were discussing as far as friends/allies.

 

[shack]

If Russia is dashing itself against the rocks of Ukraine's defenders, its fewer orks and tanks that can roll into Canada.

Russia has been a net negative on global stability, and supports conservative/right wing politicians all over the world. The fall of Putin means a more progressive world. Keep arming Ukraine. It means my family is less likely to get drafted into a future conflict.

Agree. Almost everyone agrees that eliminating Rasputin would be good. The only cautionary tale is who would be his replacement. Rasputin is the devil that we know. And from this war, we know that he keeps a weak army.

 

[Frankfooter]

Debunked a dozen times.

The conversation always seems to stop when I ask which country in the middle east is a greater ally to the US than Israel. And please list those things to support your (false) claim. Otherwise you should stop posting this trope.

Ukraine provides food and resources to the rest of the world. Saudi Arabia is a US ally lead by a despot who provides oil and way more diplomatic pressure to the middle east without nearly as much war. A really ally doesn't turn the US into a global pariah. And Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis, that's pure profit compared to the $70 billion Israel took from the US to fund their free public health care and genocide. Why should americans pay for Israeli health care?

CBC says that the EU has provided almost as much support as the US, $60 billion USD.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-munich-security-conference-1.7459683

The EU is seriously pissed at trump now, just like Canada, Mexico and the rest of the world.

 

[Frankfooter]

Agree. Almost everyone agrees that eliminating Rasputin would be good. The only cautionary tale is who would be his replacement. Rasputin is the devil that we know. And from this war, we know that he keeps a weak army.

The fall of zionism would be even better for world peace.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890431562086298110

 

[shack]

Ukraine provides food and resources to the rest of the world. Saudi Arabia is a US ally lead by a despot who provides oil and way more diplomatic pressure to the middle east without nearly as much war. A really ally doesn't turn the US into a global pariah. And Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis, that's pure profit compared to the $70 billion Israel took from the US to fund their free public health care and genocide. Why should americans pay for Israeli health care?

CBC says that the EU has provided almost as much support as the US, $60 billion USD.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-munich-security-conference-1.7459683

The EU is seriously pissed at trump now, just like Canada, Mexico and the rest of the world.

Finally I got some sort of reply. Thanks for that and thanks for reinforcing my point about alliances.

But it shouldn't have taken that long of a post to prove my point and simply say nooooooobody in the region is a better ally to the US than Israel and protects American interests and assets as Israel does.

You were better off not replying at all instead of posting some rambling gobbledygook, none of which pertains to what allies do for each other or is of any significant value to the US. It only shows how weak of an argument that Israel controls the US because of a few pennies. It's laughable. Jared getting $2B protects American interests and is proof of an alliance. How does that compare with Israel providing a nuclear deterrent to Iran. That is what allies provide for each other. Like I said your attempt is laughable.

The US always has and always will be looking out for #1, themselves. Israel is at the top of the list for countries that help the US in that regard. Israel does the US' bidding and the US repays financially and weaponry. Israel is not the tail that wags the American dog.

 

[Frankfooter]

Finally I got some sort of reply. Thanks for that and thanks for reinforcing my point about alliances.

But it shouldn't have taken that long of a post to prove my point and simply say nooooooobody in the region is a better ally to the US than Israel and protects American interests and assets as Israel does.

You were better off not replying at all instead of posting some rambling gobbledygook, none of which pertains to what allies do for each other or is of any significant value to the US. It only shows how weak of an argument that Israel controls the US because of a few pennies. It's laughable. Jared getting $2B protects American interests and is proof of an alliance. How does that compare with Israel providing a nuclear deterrent to Iran. That is what allies provide for each other. Like I said your attempt is laughable.

The US always has and always will be looking out for #1, themselves. Israel is at the top of the list for countries that help the US in that regard. Israel does the US' bidding and the US repays financially and weaponry. Israel is not the tail that wags the American dog.

What nonsense, I've posted a similar reply a bunch of times.

Saudi Arabia is a much better ally and gives the US cash, Israel has cost the US $70 billion while trying to destroy world peace and the rule of law.

No wonder everyone is turning against Israel and zionists, all you stand for is genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889854744040186212

 

[shack]

The fall of Zionism would be even better for world peace.

Your words were profound and prophetic when you said that an ideology cannot be destroyed. But, in this case "Zionism" is simply a code word for Jews and Judaism and history has shown that it almost happened. NEVER AGAIN, is what the Jews say about the Holocaust and their race.

 

[shack]

What nonsense, I've posted a similar reply a bunch of times.

Saudi Arabia is a much better ally and gives the US cash, Israel has cost the US $70 billion while trying to destroy world peace and the rule of law.

No wonder everyone is turning against Israel and zionists, all you stand for is genocide.

You've lost the debate, miserably. Stop derailing this thread.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your words were profound and prophetic when you said that an ideology cannot be destroyed. But, in this case "Zionism" is simply a code word for Jews and Judaism and history has shown that it almost happened. NEVER AGAIN, is what the Jews say about the Holocaust and their race.

You already posted that your definition of 'never again' comes from Meir Kahane, leader of a group Canada says are terorrists.
Time to get back to Ukraine on this discussion, if you try to drag it back to Israel I'll move the reply to a thread about your genocide.

trump is a moron, now he's talking about re-organizing global rule with China and Russia.
But the guy doesn't even know who is in BRICS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890549429028929886

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890167562987556869

 

[Frankfooter]

Who would want to be an ally of a guy whose idea of treaties is mafia level 'protection' fees?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890128005567058227

 

[SchlongConery]

Good ol' unilateral surrender Don is at it again...

Trump is a weakling.

 

[wigglee]

Debunked a dozen times.

The conversation always seems to stop when I ask which country in the middle east is a greater ally to the US than Israel. And please list those things to support your (false) claim. Otherwise you should stop posting this trope.

Netanyahoo the genocidal maniac sat there with a straight face while Trump talked about throwing out the Gazans and building the Riviera of the Middle East. Yea , they're allies in inhumanity.

 

[shack]

Netanyahoo the genocidal maniac sat there with a straight face while Trump talked about throwing out the Gazans and building the Riviera of the Middle East. Yea , they're allies in inhumanity.

The exact same way the king of Jordan did while trump talked about the same thing. That's a fail for you.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Ukraine not invited to Russia/Ukraine peace talks.

 

[james t kirk]

They were buying protection for MBS.

Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts (Published 2022)

Before committing $2 billion to Mr. Kushner’s fledgling firm, officials at a fund led by the Saudi crown prince questioned taking such a big risk.

www.nytimes.com

Trump is only in this for himself. He has no morals, no guiding principals, no actual plan.

He functions on two core objectives: "How can I/my family get richer?" and "How can I avoid punishment for all of the illegal shit I do"

There may be a third "how can I install my family as a Kim-family-style dynasty" but I don't know if he's got the capacity for that still.

So: The saudis needed protection last term and bought it. Now Israel is buying protection. I don't think even the most rabid trump supporters can thing that occupying Gaza and defending it forever is in the US's best interest in any way, especially if they have to commit a genocide to do it.

This is the truth.

Trump is hugely corrupt. He was all but bankrupt until the Russians entered his life well before 2016. I doubt they figured that he would eventually become president at that time. He was just an all but broke small time real estate developer who was desperate for cash and corrupt to his core. And the Russians are masters of corruption. Its like a religion to them. I suspect that somehow Trump was introduced to Russian mobsters who needed something they figured a corrupt guy like Trump could deliver. My guess would be just plain old money laundering. Easily done in the world of real estate development. A mutually beneficial arrangement was arrived at where Trump helped the Russian mobsters launder money in return for ever increasing cash paydays for him to help him get his head above water.

As time moved forward and Trump started to get political, it attracted the attention of some very big fish in the Russian underworld. Big fish who were on a first name basis with Vladimir Putin. Putin most likely thought like the rest of us that Trump was a joke. But one thing was for sure, he was corruptable and he would do anything for money. And you just never know. Just the kind of guy the Russians could do business with.


Eventually as Trump got political, he attracted the attention of the most corrupt man in the world - Vladimir Putin himself. And this was when Trump's Russian paydays rose to a whole new level. And when that happened, a literal force main of money was directed to Trump by Putin. And that faucet has never been turned off. Putin literally owns an American President. This is unprecedented in world history and has made the world an even more dangerous place. It's truly frightening.

I am 100 percent convinced that Trump is corrupt to his very core. Everything he does, he does to enrich himself, I agree. This is corruption on a frightening scale that transcends borders, and constitutions, and the so called "rule of law." And now nothing can stop Putin or Trump.

And you want to know w the worst part?

This is all very well known to the American intelligence and legal communities. Just for whatever reason, they choose to do nothing about it.

 

[SchlongConery]

. At some point the Russians saw something useful in him. I suspect simple money laundering. Eventually as Trump got political, he attracted the attention of the most corrupt man in the world - Putin. And when that happened, a force main of money was directed to Trump by Putin. And that faucet has never been turned off.

I am 100 percent convinced that Trump is corrupt to his very core. Everything he does, he does to enrich himself, I agree. This is corruption on a massive scale that transcends borders and constitutions and the so called "rule of law." And now nothing can stop Putin or Trump.

And you want to know w the worst part?

This is all very well known to the American intelligence and legal communities. Just for whatever reason, they do nothing about it.

You have nailed it. For some reason I can't put it into words as well as you did. Every single point you make is is true.

But as Bill Maher says; 'I don't know it for a FACT, but I KNOW that it is TRUE...'

And what baffles me is that there are people who can''t see the blatantly obvious solely self-serving bullshit and actions this con man sells them.

Or that there are those who are so naive that they think negotiating with Putin (or Trump for that matter) will result in anything that you can trust. Both are notorious for reneging on their specific contractual promises.

The fact that Trump is, on behalf of the United States and its citizens, abandoning its promise to stick with Ukraine 'for as long as it takes' (weak sauce at that) and siding with RUSSIA is just despicable. In case anyone forgot, NATO was formed and continues to be driven by ONLY ONE potential adversary... Russia. Like wtf?

 

[shack]

In case anyone forgot, NATO was formed and continues to be driven by ONLY ONE potential adversary... Russia. Like wtf?

How long until trump pulls the US out of NATO? That would be Rasputin's wet dream. And if Rasputin owns his ass............... It is very scary.

Does he have the power, all by himself, to do that? Is that a line too far that even some ass-licking Repugs would push back?

 

[Valcazar]

How long until trump pulls the US out of NATO? That would be Rasputin's wet dream. And if Rasputin owns his ass............... It is very scary.

Does he have the power, all by himself, to do that? Is that a line too far that even some ass-licking Repugs would push back?

Formally, he does not.
But if he just says he effectively is, that's good enough.

 

[SchlongConery]

How long until trump pulls the US out of NATO? That would be Rasputin's wet dream. And if Rasputin owns his ass............... It is very scary.

Does he have the power, all by himself, to do that? Is that a line too far that even some ass-licking Repugs would push back?

Yes, it seems he does have this power.

First, as I understand it, the Judicial branch relies on Federal law enforcement agencies, specifically the US Marshall Service, to enforce court orders. Since the Marshall's Service and the FBI are under the control of the Department of Justice, which is controlled by the Executive branch, the President simply directs his US Marshalls to not enforce Court Orders.

So if Trump acts outside the Legislative laws relating to, say, its NATO membership etc, then the only entities that can take action is the DoJ and/or the military. Both of which are under the direct control of the President and Commander-in-Chief. So the Commander in Chief can direct his Secretary of Defense to withdraw from NATO bases or whatever who would then direct the appropriate Generals and so on down the line to follow the orders of the Commander in Chief. Then you might maybe have some military guy who knows the law and refuses to follow an unlawful order. Surely there will be a Trump allied General who would court martial that guy who refused to follw the order of the CiC

So it follows that if the Legislative branch passes a law or anything that the President disagrees with, the President can simply ignore the law and face no consequences as described above.

Same if the Legislative branch were to impeach Trump to remove him from office. Trump just says 'Fuck Off... whatcha going to do about it?'

And with Trump's notable vengeance, any Congressman/Senator who goes against Trump would likely find himself on the wrong end of the DoJ somehow.

All those Trump supporters who love Russia so much, might just get to live the Russki Mir!

Can you believe how fast shit can change?!?!