Ukraine-Russia peace talks to start this friday in Munich

[WyattEarp]

So you are saying that it was bad that the Bolsheviks overthrew the regime of Nicholas II.

The Soviets kept the empire. It was too much a part of the Russian psyche in 1918. It probably still is.

I was thinking more about the dissolution of the Austrian and Ottoman Empires.

If we keep things in context, my point was that we don't want the EU Vice President encouraging thoughts of further breaking up Russia. This isn't 1918. This is 2025 with nuclear weapons likely scattered all over Russia.

 

[Valcazar]

This is not optimal from an optics perspective.
However, it gets Zelensky out from having to concede new boundaries which could be a political problem for him.

How is this not a political problem for him if he doesn't even get the appearance of having a say?

These type of questions might be intriguing, but they are what they are. And, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

We don't, it's true.
We only have the appearances they are presenting publicly.

 

[Valcazar]

Yes, I can see why it's tempting to make this about Trump.

You don't think Russia's vastly improved position with Trump in charge isn't a win for Russia?

As I said earlier in regards to the Trump resistance effort as it relates to the Ukraine, "Of course, hardly anyone is offering any realistic thoughts on what should happen."

Including Trump and Hesgeth right now, sadly.

 

[Frankfooter]

The majority protesting and staying home for the vote were Arabs/Muslims yes! The majority of Dems and Lefts stand by Israel and not Hamas.

Not at all.
50% of Canadians say Israel is committing genocide.
Do you really think 41% of Canadians are Muslim?

This poll is a year old, think there are more or fewer people who think Israel is committing genocide?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1758853813153255820

 

[Frankfooter]

This is not optimal from an optics perspective.
However, it gets Zelensky out from having to concede new boundaries which could be a political problem for him.

These type of questions might be intriguing, but they are what they are. And, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

When Putin tells trump what the new borders are you think Zelensky won't be forced into conceding these as new borders?

 

[squeezer]

Not even close…Trump hasn’t brought the tanks to the border

I never said he has, I'm making a point. I don't believe he will, in his own words, an economic war.

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[Phil C. McNasty]

Vance says US has economic and military ‘tools of leverage’ if Russia doesn’t push for peace with Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/politics/jd-vance-us-troops-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

Vice President JD Vance warned on Thursday that the United States could hit Russia with economic and military “tools of leverage” if Russian leader Vladimir Putin doesn’t negotiate a peace deal with Ukraine in good faith.

Speaking to the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, Vance said the option of sending US troops to Ukraine was “on the table,” as well as economic punishment if a peace deal doesn’t guarantee Kyiv’s long-term independence.

 

[shack]

The Soviets kept the empire. It was too much a part of the Russian psyche in 1918. It probably still is.

I was thinking more about the dissolution of the Austrian and Ottoman Empires.

If we keep things in context, my point was that we don't want the EU Vice President encouraging thoughts of further breaking up Russia. This isn't 1918. This is 2025 with nuclear weapons likely scattered all over Russia.

Fair enough.

Just so I got it right, were the dissolutions of the Austrian and Ottoman empires bad things and if so why? FYI, these are episodes of history that I am not overly familiar with.

 

[shack]

Yes, I can see why it's tempting to make this about Trump.
As I said earlier in regards to the Trump resistance effort as it relates to the Ukraine, "Of course, hardly anyone is offering any realistic thoughts on what should happen."

What should happen is that Zelensky should be involved directly in any talks regarding the future of his country. Anything less means that nefarious deeds are being discussed in his absence. Skullduggery.

 

[squeezer]

SO much for Trump containing Russia, LMFAO

Ukraine says Russia drone attack hit Chernobyl nuclear plant

 

[shack]

Not at all.
50% of Canadians say Israel is committing genocide.
Do you really think 41% of Canadians are Muslim?

This poll is a year old, think there are more or fewer people who think Israel is committing genocide?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1758853813153255820

Very poor interpretation of what that graph shows. AKA, you invented a biased analysis.

That graph clearly shows that 59% of Canadians are not willing to say that Israel is committing genocide. Only 41% are willing to say that. That is objective and irrefutable. That some are unsure means nothing, one way or the other.

 

[Frankfooter]

Very poor interpretation of what that graph shows. AKA, you invented a biased analysis.

That graph clearly shows that 59% of Canadians are not willing to say that Israel is committing genocide. Only 41% are willing to say that. That is objective and irrefutable. That some are unsure means nothing, one way or the other.

You think a poll showing 41% of Canadians say Israel is committing genocide is a win? Wow, that's messed up.
The number were about the same for the US last May as well.

And still you back Israeli genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788186793759617044

 

[richaceg]

I do agree, Bibi is also now playing him like a fiddle after Trump's ridiculous Gaza Retreat development fantasy. Bibi, Putin and to a lesser degree Kim Jong will pull on his puppet strings and watch him dance for them.

Yet Franky and his Arab buddies didn't support Harris thus choosing to have Trump as number 47. Let Fantasy Gaza with Trumputin plaza commence!!!!!

Look at all the TDS in this thread...you guys cry about this all the time...but really have only supported the carnage keep going instead of ending the war? Swallow your fucking pride and say, Trump is at least looking to end these stupid war games....or is that too much to ask and you'd rather have more Ukrainians and Russians deaths....just so you can say...Trump didn't do shit...pathetic...funny....but pathetic...

 

[WyattEarp]

How is this not a political problem for him if he doesn't even get the appearance of having a say?



We don't, it's true.
We only have the appearances they are presenting publicly.

If I was a Democrat supporter, I would also be looking for every angle of which to critique the current peace talks.

The rest of us can respond WTF was Biden doing the last year.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Look at all the TDS in this thread...you guys cry about this all the time...but really have only supported the carnage keep going instead of ending the war? Swallow your fucking pride and say, Trump is at least looking to end these stupid war games....or is that too much to ask and you'd rather have more Ukrainians and Russians deaths....just so you can say...Trump didn't do shit...pathetic...funny....but pathetic...

They would rather see WW3 and the entire world destroyed, then give Trump credit for ending the Ukraine war

 

[richaceg]

They would rather see WW3 and the entire world destroyed, then give Trump credit for ending the Ukraine war

Full blown TDS...

 

[WyattEarp]

Fair enough.

Just so I got it right, were the dissolutions of the Austrian and Ottoman empires bad things and if so why? FYI, these are episodes of history that I am not overly familiar with.

It's not a question of whether the empires dissolving was a bad thing. The Austrian and Ottoman empires were crumbling and weak. Many groups of people resented rule from Vienna and Constantinople. So they went to the dustbin of history as they should.

What matters is the difficulty of establishing boundaries along ethnic lines. Problems in the Balkans before and after Tito created Yugoslavia. Conflicts in the Mideast. All have some of their origin from the aftermath of World War I, the dissolution of the two empires and the attempts to draw new national borders at Versailles in 1919.

Phrases like Balkanization and drawing lines in the sand have relevance to 1919.

 

[Fun For All]

It’s best to get a peace deal done. The world needs to get Russia back into the fold instead of being isolated the way it is.

 

[kherg007]

Good ol' Joe "Ukrainian slaughter" Biden.

Right. I forgot the Ukrainians started the war by allowing the Russians to invade.
Thanks for the reminder.

 

[WyattEarp]

It’s best to get a peace deal done. The world needs to get Russia back into the fold instead of being isolated the way it is.

That might not happen until a Post-Putin Russia. I don't think Germany and others will simply go back to the Merkel ways of dealing with Russia.

Putin seems like a hardcore revanchist that is smart enough to know the limits of Russian power. Until he leaves office, he will continue to be a threat and nuisance trying to elevate Russia's influence around the world.