Ukraine-Russia peace talks to start this friday in Munich

[WyattEarp]

Afghanistan, Iraq... it worked well. Both Russia and the US found out the hard way that tucking their tail and leaving makes sense rather than throw more resources into a losing situation.

I doubt Putin will ever be able to peacefully keep the territory. He can make the war he started go away, just find some face-saving pretense and give the order.

No two wars are the same. Korea and Vietnam tell that story succinctly.

Relative to Afghanistan and Iraq, Ukrainians are more pragmatic and will choose peace over protracted conflict. Russia is fighting next door on former Soviet territory. They really didn't care much about Afghanistan.

You are making some kind of overly idealistic almost suicidal argument. The internet is full of shills for the Ukrainian and Russian sides. It's just been that way since the war started.

Incidentally, Putin had been able to keep Ukrainian territory peacefully prior to the latest invasion.

 

[shack]

This is why Russia winning was a foregone conclusion.

Ukraine/NATO/USA instigated a war that could not end any other way.

So very wrong.

Russia winning was a foregone conclusion because Russia is one of the world's few nuclear superpowers and Ukraine is just another Eastern European, agriculture dependent, non-nuclear and non-NATO poor country. A war with such a foregone conclusion should have been over in a few weeks and here we are, still going after 2 1/2 years. Ukraine exposed how weak Russia really is and embarrassed them completely.

But yes, now we can see that Russia will win and that's because of the lack of intellect of the American electorate.

BTW, it is indisputable that Russia started the war.

 

[squeezer]

How responsible is BIBI to the population he goverend under occupation?

How responsible was Putin to protect Russians living in Ukraine from getting their homes and family blown up?

 

[oil&gas]

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The above is a video of the new EU Foreign minister talking about breaking up Russia. Any further questions to embelish your ignorance? 🫡

Regime change is also one objective of sanctions against
Russia according to our foreign minister.

Regime change in Moscow 'definitely' the goal, Joly says, as Canada bans Russian steel, aluminum imports

Canada's politicians 'don't want to recognize ... that the current Russian policy is supported by the ultimate majority of the nation,' Russia's Ambassador countered

nationalpost.com

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The United States at its absolute worst.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890010315460599821

 

[squeezer]

you are dellusional on both. Can you name Russias PM without google? Didn't think so.

Without looking I can only say Mikahail something like that who is under Putin's thumb like everyone else in Russia. If they try and push the evil thumb away they meet an open window and go for a little friendly drop. The one thing I will say about Putin which I would never say about Trump is that Putin is highly intelligent. He's evil as fuck but he's a smart POS.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5143467-hegseth-responds-to-blowback-from-ukraine-nato-remarks/

 

[oil&gas]

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If Putin lets his soldiers go on home, he might be able to sleep a little easier around them. Revolt should be his biggest concern.

Now it looks more likely leaders of NATO-Europe members are the ones who
will have a hard time sleeping well after a peace deal is signed. Those fools
will have to pay the price of squandering billions of borrowed money to get
Ukrainians (and Russians) killed in a stupid proxy war.

 

[nottyboi]

How responsible was Putin to protect Russians living in Ukraine from getting their homes and family blown up?

They were already getting blown up and Ukraine was massing for a full scale attack on Donbas. This is why Putin attacked when he did. Notice how many Ukrainian troops and heavy weapons were in the Donbas. If Putin had just stood there, there would have been a slaughter and a massive influx of refugees. As it stands over 3m Ukrainian refugees are in Russia. and there were 3.5M left in Donbas. If the Mexicans attacked a town full of Americans in Mexico, what do you think would happen?

 

[nottyboi]

Without looking I can only say Mikahail something like that who is under Putin's thumb like everyone else in Russia. If they try and push the evil thumb away they meet an open window and go for a little friendly drop. The one thing I will say about Putin which I would never say about Trump is that Putin is highly intelligent. He's evil as fuck but he's a smart POS.

Who has slaughtered more innocent civilians babies and women? Putin or Biden?

 

[WyattEarp]

So very wrong.

Russia winning was a foregone conclusion because Russia is one of the world's few nuclear superpowers and Ukraine is just another Eastern European, agriculture dependent, non-nuclear and non-NATO poor country. A war with such a foregone conclusion should have been over in a few weeks and here we are, still going after 2 1/2 years. Ukraine exposed how weak Russia really is and embarrassed them completely.

But yes, now we can see that Russia will win and that's because of the lack of intellect of the American electorate.

I have no idea what you're indicating with your last statement.

First, it's possible you're conceding that the U.S. is bankrolling the Ukrainian effort.
Second, perhaps you think the U.S. should be providing better weapons. If you don't consider a wider conflict, it's easy to tempt an escalation.

The Ukrainians had their shot to try to push the Russians out of the Ukraine. That now looks like it will never happen. If it is still possible, that looks like it will take a long time to materialize with lots of risks for the participants and NATO countries.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I don't see the similarities with 1938 other than the city.

Russia has paid a terrible price for whatever piece of Ukraine it controls. They weren't ready to fight the Ukraine let alone NATO.

Chamberlain brokered a peace deal with Germany, the deal being they could have Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia wasn't invited to the meeting. They were kept waiting outside the door. Something like how Trump and Putin aren't inviting Zelensky into the meetings they are planning. Trump is brokering a deal where Russia can have the Ukraine. You're right I guess. No similarities.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet Franky and his Arab buddies didn't support Harris thus choosing to have Trump as number 47. Let Fantasy Gaza with Trumputin plaza commence!!!!!

Don't blame people who decided they couldn't vote for genocide for trump getting in.
Blame the party that put a genocidal candidate on the ballot despite 80% of dems being for a ceasefire and peace.

'Arab buddies'? You think genocide is only an issue for one race?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890137899813007569

 

[oil&gas]

Things will be vastly different from the aftermath of Chamberlain's
Munich peace deal this time. NATO-Euro will be scrambling to acquire
F-35 fighter jets and the most advanced military technology from the U.S.
after the Ukraine war ends. Provided they are willing to kiss the butt
of Putin's pal and Israel's poodle Europe will remain sheltered inside the
U.S. nuclear umbrella from Russian nuclear attack. No reason European
leaders cannot sleep well after a peace deal is agreed in Munich other than
the likelihood they will lose to the far right in upcoming elections.

 

[WyattEarp]

Things will be vastly different from the aftermath of Chamberlain's
Munich peace deal this time.

Things are already vastly different. The U.S. and NATO assisted the Ukraine in resisting the Russian invasion. The Russia military on the ground is not as dangerous as Nazi Germany was relative to 1938.

 

[Frankfooter]

I have no idea what you're indicating with your last statement.

First, it's possible you're conceding that the U.S. is bankrolling the Ukrainian effort.
Second, perhaps you think the U.S. should be providing better weapons. If you don't consider a wider conflict, it's easy to tempt an escalation.

The Ukrainians had their shot to try to push the Russians out of the Ukraine. That now looks like it will never happen. If it is still possible, that looks like it will take a long time to materialize with lots of risks for the participants and NATO countries.

Ukraine made a deal with the US, they handed over their nukes with the understanding that the US would protect them.
The US lied.

Nobody should trust the US as an ally.

Now he says the US won't offer 'protection' to Canada.
Sounds like a dime store mafia boss.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890128005567058227

 

[squeezer]

Now it looks more likely leaders of NATO-Europe members are the ones who
will have a hard time sleeping well after a peace deal is signed. Those fools
will have to pay the price of squandering billions of borrowed money to get
Ukrainians (and Russians) killed in a stupid proxy war.

Yes they should have just let Putin take it all. I guess you are fine with Trumputin coming in and taking Canada.

 

[squeezer]

Don't blame people who decided they couldn't vote for genocide for trump getting in.
Blame the party that put a genocidal candidate on the ballot despite 80% of dems being for a ceasefire and peace.

'Arab buddies'? You think genocide is only an issue for one race?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890137899813007569

The majority protesting and staying home for the vote were Arabs/Muslims yes! The majority of Dems and Lefts stand by Israel and not Hamas.

 

[squeezer]

They were already getting blown up and Ukraine was massing for a full scale attack on Donbas. This is why Putin attacked when he did. Notice how many Ukrainian troops and heavy weapons were in the Donbas. If Putin had just stood there, there would have been a slaughter and a massive influx of refugees. As it stands over 3m Ukrainian refugees are in Russia. and there were 3.5M left in Donbas. If the Mexicans attacked a town full of Americans in Mexico, what do you think would happen?

Man, you are delusional and not worth discussing when you throw out nonsense and made up bullshit.

 

[kherg007]

Good ol' Donald "unilateral surrender" Trump.