Ukraine-Russia peace talks to start this friday in Munich

[james t kirk]

Things are already vastly different. The U.S. and NATO assisted the Ukraine in resisting the Russian invasion. The Russia military on the ground is not as dangerous as Nazi Germany was relative to 1938.

I believe that Russia is not nearly as strong as people believe. If Russia was that strong, they would have defeated Ukraine in short order at the start of the war. But the fact is, they were unable to. The Russian economy combined with Russian corruption precludes it from having a powerful military. In short, Russia is bluffing and they are closer to losing this war than they would like the world to believe.

If Ukraine was smart, they wait for the peace talks to start and then launch an all out counter attack against the Russians. The best defense is a strong offense.

 

[Fun For All]

Let's face it...Ukraine is gonna get screwed!

 

[Fun For All]

I believe that Russia is not nearly as strong as people believe. If Russia was that strong, they would have defeated Ukraine in short order at the start of the war. But the fact is, they were unable to. The Russian economy combined with Russian corruption precludes it from having a powerful military. In short, Russia is bluffing and they are closer to losing this war than they would like the world to believe.

If Ukraine was smart, they wait for the peace talks to start and then launch an all out counter attack against the Russians. The best defense is a strong offense.

Russia may not be as strong as what people think but they could be fighting this war for 20 more years what would that do to Ukraine ...Ukraine be best to negotiate a peace deal

 

[nottyboi]

Man, you are delusional and not worth discussing when you throw out nonsense and made up bullshit.

You are in no position to make this statement since I have been pretty much 100% right on this conflict thus far and you have been WRONGGGGGGG!!!

 

[glamphotographer]

nothing will come from it, back to war. We will continue to fight against authoritarianism. France beheaded their King.

 

[nottyboi]

So very wrong.

Russia winning was a foregone conclusion because Russia is one of the world's few nuclear superpowers and Ukraine is just another Eastern European, agriculture dependent, non-nuclear and non-NATO poor country. A war with such a foregone conclusion should have been over in a few weeks and here we are, still going after 2 1/2 years. Ukraine exposed how weak Russia really is and embarrassed them completely.

But yes, now we can see that Russia will win and that's because of the lack of intellect of the American electorate.

BTW, it is indisputable that Russia started the war.

You prob think the war started in Feb 2022. thats what your statement is so clueless.

 

[shack]

I have no idea what you're indicating with your last statement.

First, it's possible you're conceding that the U.S. is bankrolling the Ukrainian effort.
Second, perhaps you think the U.S. should be providing better weapons. If you don't consider a wider conflict, it's easy to tempt an escalation.

The Ukrainians had their shot to try to push the Russians out of the Ukraine. That now looks like it will never happen. If it is still possible, that looks like it will take a long time to materialize with lots of risks for the participants and NATO countries.

Do you support trump?
Do you consider yourself of high intellect?

 

[nottyboi]

So very wrong.

Russia winning was a foregone conclusion because Russia is one of the world's few nuclear superpowers and Ukraine is just another Eastern European, agriculture dependent, non-nuclear and non-NATO poor country. A war with such a foregone conclusion should have been over in a few weeks and here we are, still going after 2 1/2 years. Ukraine exposed how weak Russia really is and embarrassed them completely.

But yes, now we can see that Russia will win and that's because of the lack of intellect of the American electorate.

BTW, it is indisputable that Russia started the war.

Urkaine had been armed by NATO for years before the war started, it had a very large army and a significant cache of weapons from the Soviet era. There was also a steady stream of billions of $ worth of weapons pouring into Ukraine from NATO. as well as a great deal of Intel and Sat recon and targeting assistance. On the flipside NATO lost an article 5 war against the Taliban with them receiving no external state level support. NADA. Russia was even assisting NATO and they LOST.

 

[shack]

However here, the 20th century taught us the grave dangers inherent with empires collapsing.

So you are saying that it was bad that the Bolsheviks overthrew the regime of Nicholas II.

 

[shack]

Urkaine had been armed by NATO for years before the war started, it had a very large army and a significant cache of weapons from the Soviet era.

Having weapons does not equal starting a war.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[nottyboi]

Having weapons does not equal starting a war.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

I was not offering that as a reason for starting a war, I was offering that as reason why the war went on so long. The war started before the invasion.

 

[Fun For All]

Yes they should have just let Putin take it all. I guess you are fine with Trumputin coming in and taking Canada.

Not even close…Trump hasn’t brought the tanks to the border

 

[Valcazar]

A lot of bitching and moaning about Trump on this thread. Of course, hardly anyone is offering any realistic thoughts on what should happen.

The war is a grinding stalemate. The Ukraine is a mess and has suffered incredible losses of human life.
Biden or whoever was pulling the strings in the Administration should have ended this conflict awhile ago.

So just out of curiosity, are you in favor of "The US and Russia negotiate a peace and then tell Ukraine what to do"?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So just out of curiosity, are you in favor of "The US and Russia negotiate a peace and then tell Ukraine what to do"?

Ukraine might not have much of a choice, because if Trump decides to withhold funding from them the war will be over pretty quick

 

[Bucktee]

How cavalier armchair quarterbacks can be when discussing war abroad. Just keep fighting and broker a peace deal later, they say.

Some of you literally have to experience Hell to get any sense of it.

If you're going to fight a war on the ground, you need men to fight it. When you run out of bodies to send to certain death, a change of course has to happen.

War is not a video game or TERB political talk.

 

[Valcazar]

Regardless of the costs incurred, wars don't always produce satisfactory outcomes for the participants. For all the men and material the Russians have expended, this is not the result they sought.

It's been a disaster from the point of view of their objectives in starting the war.
That said, any setback due to that has probably been overwhelmed by the benefits of getting Trump back into power.

 

[oil&gas]

So you are saying that it was bad that the Bolsheviks overthrew the regime of Nicholas II.

It is neither good nor bad for the abject disaster that was Nicholas II to
be overthrown. I see it to be an inevitable historical event. You may lament
it was the evil communist that overthrew imperial Russia, It is unfortunate
the course of history picked the communist as the saviour of mother
Russia. But I don't see who else other than Lenin or his other comrades
could have unified a country left devastated (and disintegrated as well)
by the most inept regime in its history.

 

[Bucktee]

Chamberlain brokered a peace deal with Germany, the deal being they could have Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia wasn't invited to the meeting. They were kept waiting outside the door. Something like how Trump and Putin aren't inviting Zelensky into the meetings they are planning. Trump is brokering a deal where Russia can have the Ukraine. You're right I guess. No similarities.

Zelensky already had talks with Trump behind closed doors and told Trump that he can send all the money he wants to the Ukraine war effort but the bodies are stacked so high they can't stack anymore. They need to end this thing. Desperation galore.

And Russia is nowhere near the strongest military in the world, which was the position of Nazi Germany in 1938. In fact, the Nazis would have won the war if Hitler's ego/beliefs didn't tell him he could fight the US, Western Europe, and Russia simultaneously.

Side note: In the 1936 Olympics the Germans were the Master Race. They took home 14 more Gold medals than the USA, and 101 total medals compared to 57 for the USA.

1936 Summer Olympics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[WyattEarp]

So just out of curiosity, are you in favor of "The US and Russia negotiate a peace and then tell Ukraine what to do"?

This is not optimal from an optics perspective.
However, it gets Zelensky out from having to concede new boundaries which could be a political problem for him.

These type of questions might be intriguing, but they are what they are. And, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

 

[shack]

It is neither good nor bad for the abject disaster that was Nicholas II to
be overthrown. I see it to be an inevitable historical event. You may lament
it was the evil communist that overthrew imperial Russia, It is unfortunate
the course of history picked the communist as the saviour of mother
Russia. But I don't see who else other than Lenin or his other comrades
could have unified a country left devastated (and disintegrated as well)
by the most inept regime in its history.

Well written.