Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

Frankfooter

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Why is US gonna pay for Gaza? What's it got to do with them? Let Hamas, UNRWA and UN pay for Gaza...
The US paid for 70% of the bombs dropped on Gaza.
You broke it, you fix it.

When the UN voted and demanded that Israel end the illegal occupation of Palestine, they also demanded that Israel pay restitution for 76 years of occupation.
Now you'll have to add paying restitution for genocide.

 
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Frankfooter

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I don't know what inherently good means but it sure as hell can be practically shitty. Woke agenda is something that arguably allowed trump to win in 2024 because enough people got so sick of it that they preferred to be ruled by a convicted felon.
Not at all, trump won because people couldn't vote for the genocide that Harris wanted.
What's even more fucked up is that after Harris and Biden cracked down on student protests they are now afraid to protest trump.


 
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bver_hunter

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Not every federal operation needs Congress approval.
When budgets and income was approved by Congress and signed by The previous Administration, well that is what is the biggest issue when an unelected dude like Musk with the help of his brats takes over the Department, especially when they do not have The Security Clearance. and the personal data of millions of Americans are then at risk!!
 

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So if their budget is public, then it shouldn't be an issue if some of those fundings are halted then.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.

So if the budget for border security is public it shouldn't be an issue if some of those fundings are halted then. Clearly you must agree.
 
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bver_hunter

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To those who support the killings of Palestinian civilians we know that the damage to the infrastructure by Israel was deliberate, especially, when 2/3 of this infrastructure has been compromised.

It comes amid ongoing questions about the post-conflict future of Gaza, where the UN estimates around two thirds of buildings have been destroyed or damaged after 15 months of fighting.
 

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And I'm not a leftie (or a rightie),

USAID has been around since JFK and their activities were always public. And I'm assuming their budget as well.
if their activities were always public then there is no issue with Elon Musk showing the records of their activities to the public
 
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nottyboi

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The point is that it was there for all to see. None of the tDS cultists gave a shit for 60 years until trump did a few days ago. TDS, the inability to think for oneself. Only do what trump wants you to do.
Budgets rarely have the detail to see where the money went. Why do you thing auditors exist? The money will all be in the report, but what does the discriptors mean? And did it actually go there.
 

Valcazar

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SO it's not seizure of funds? YOu need to calm down....their freezing funds until they get all the useless spendings out of the way...those $$$ could've spend better on Hurricane victims or hawaii... Who are dying because of frozen funds from USAID?
People receiving medical care, food, etc.
I get that you don't mind killing "the weak", but even if you are in favor of all of that, I would think the idea that the president can just ignore the law and the constitution would bother you.
 
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Valcazar

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USAID is a 50B a year machine. Its not possible to fix such a beast by just pruning and trimming. Only option is to blow it up and then see where the fires break out,. Will some people die? Probably. But you are face with a choice of collateral deaths vs the ongoing death and destruction fomented by USAID. There is no benign way to do something like this.
Well, at least you're honest about your "fuck 'em, let 'em die" view of the situation.
And, I presume that justifies the consolidation of executive power and lack of oversight as well?
Future presidents will have more of a slush fund to do black ops regime change going forward, after all.
 
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Valcazar

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Congress approprates the money, it is then up to the executive to ensure expenditure of the money meets the purpose of the appropriation. If the executive feels there is risk or it is outside the mandate of the appropriation they can freeze it.
No, they can't.
Under some very narrow circumstances they can pause specific things and ask Congress not to overrule them.
But that's not what happened here, is it?
Trump and Musk went out of their way not to obey the relevant law.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Not at all, trump won because people couldn't vote for the genocide that Harris wanted.
Harris did not want any genocide.
When I asked you before the election you said "How could it get any worse"?
And here you have Trump pushing ethnic cleansing.
Trump said what Muslims wanted to hear and within 2 weeks turned around stabbed them right in the heart, and we all warned you about it.
Things can always get worse and Muslims across the US, particularly Palestinians are learning that now.
 
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nottyboi

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No, they can't.
Under some very narrow circumstances they can pause specific things and ask Congress not to overrule them.
But that's not what happened here, is it?
Trump and Musk went out of their way not to obey the relevant law.
if thats the case why can't they just ignore the executive order?
 

nottyboi

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Well, at least you're honest about your "fuck 'em, let 'em die" view of the situation.
And, I presume that justifies the consolidation of executive power and lack of oversight as well?
Future presidents will have more of a slush fund to do black ops regime change going forward, after all.
How is a president gonna get a slush fund without an appropriation. Even if he blows up USAID he cannot reassign its budget without congresional approval.
 

Valcazar

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Reduce the budget for USAID and increase FEMA...FEMA benefits americans...USAID is suppose to be international aid abd fraction of that funding goes to useless programs that don't benefit the target.
That's a perfectly legitimate policy preference.
Get Congress to put that in the budget.

Although I do like that you and nottyboi have reached consensus that it is much better to just do things illegally when following the law is inconvenient and slow.
Democracy just gets in the way, right?
 
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