Trump Bans Transgender Athletes from Women's Sports

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And all these EOs will get blocked and will face long lawsuits, and will be promptly rescinded when the Dems win in 2028, for those reasons.
No Democrat is going to do such a thing. What you might believe in doesn't override sensible politics.
 

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Uhhhh my finger missed the 'r' Orrrr I genuinely don't know how to spell 'your'.
More proof that I'm correct about you, Junior.

This from a guy that doesn't know how to spell 'favorite'
This from a guy that doesn't know that the American spelling is different than the British/Canadian spelling. I've made no spelling errors in my posts.
 

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Clearly if the EO had no impact, you wouldn't be here making whatever argument you are making.

Sometimes the drama on social media obfuscates the nature and simplicity of a disagreement.
You believe transgender women should be allowed to compete in women's sports. Many members disagree with you.
Interesting that there is no EO banning biological women from male sports...Now I wonder why that is?
 

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Reality: Joe Rogan is left. Trump is center. Kamala, and the entire establishment liberal media is radically far left.
Another symptom of tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome, being verified once again. The inability to discern reality from delusion.

trump is faaaar right. Joe Rogan is no way left.
 
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No Democrat is going to do such a thing. What you might believe in doesn't override sensible politics.
I think you are speaking with the current MAGA hysteria in mind. It will subside.
Trump spent 30 seconds signing an Executive Order. Do you think he was up all night writing it?
No. I was not talking about Trump here either.
It's a problem for the young women who come up against transgender women....
....about 10 of them amongst 510K athletes in college sports.
It can safely be ruled as not a problem.
Clearly if the EO had no impact, you wouldn't be here making whatever argument you are making.

Sometimes the drama on social media obfuscates the nature and simplicity of a disagreement.
You believe transgender women should be allowed to compete in women's sports. Many members disagree with you.
Well no. I have said that it is on a case by case basis.
You are misinterpreting reactions to the EO as unnecessary as actual impact made by the EO.
Infact the EO is going to make such precious little impact, that it is the basis of my criticism because it tries to fix a non-issue.
I haven't followed this story. Is it possible there was concern for their safety rather than an issue of rights?
Yes. Safety is a right.
Why don't you tell us what will happen?
Will the Courts overturn the EO?
Or do you really think a future Democratic President will overturn this EO?

If you support transgender athletes competing in women's sports, you better hope the Courts overturn it.
Ain't no Democrat with political sanity going to overturn this EO.

I don't think the Courts will decide that there are civil rights being violated. Perhaps they will find some technical approach to invalidating the EO.
Yes. I think the EO regarding trans prisoners will stay blocked.
The EO on trans women in sports, not so sure.
However I think both will be rescinded in the future.
You are speaking with the current MAGA hysteria in mind. It will subside.
That is as far as I can predict right now.
Non issues don't need people bitching about who, how, why.
This has broad support across the political spectrum. We don't need people in the U.S. and Canada denying this was a sensible move just because it came from Trump's pen.
Yes non-issues need no bitching or Executive orders.
Non-issues when made into an issue via EOs intended to hurt a group of people, deserves the pushback.
If it has broad support across the spectrum, it should be legislated.
There was no need for an executive order.
 
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The Oracle

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Another symptom of tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome, being verified once again. The inability to discern reality from delusion.

trump is faaaar right. Joe Rogan is no way left.
Rogan has said recently that he is a libertarian.

He also stated that he was unsure of who he was going to vote for until he talked to Elon Musk after he had him on the show.
 

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Thank god Trump dealt with the most serious issue facing Americans. The only people who cared (other than the social media trolls) were a few women who weren't able to win. It's just window dressing for something that studies show makes little difference, and zero difference with prepubescent kids.

Trumps people and his troll farm backers are well aware that already his actions are having blowback so instead he needed some nonsense to convince people he's winning, not just taking apart the constitution.
 
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Bucktee

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Core MAGA were called the Tea Party 15 years ago. Not democrats.
MAGA is not the Tea Party. It's not even related.

Transgender people may suffer gender dysphoria but transgenderism is not a mental illness.
The AMA defines mental illness as "health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses can be associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities. " - https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness#:~:text=Mental illnesses are health conditions,nothing to be ashamed of.

Gender dysphoria is "a feeling of distress or discomfort that can occur when a person's gender identity differs from their biological sex. It can lead to depression and anxiety, and can negatively impact daily life."

It's a mental illness. You don't need a politicized institution to tell you this (or conversely, deny it).

Your approach to this mental illness is to feed into it, like telling a depressed person that they really should be depressed and that they're right about their delusion that they're worthless.

This is why we have kids mutilating their genitals and the bastardization of language when referring to men who want to be women.

It needs to stop.
 
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MAGA is not the Tea Party. It's not even related.



The AMA defines mental illness as " Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses can be associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities. " - https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness#:~:text=Mental illnesses are health conditions,nothing to be ashamed of.

Gender dysphoria is "a feeling of distress or discomfort that can occur when a person's gender identity differs from their biological sex. It can lead to depression and anxiety, and can negatively impact daily life."

It's a mental illness. You don't need a politicized institution to tell you this (or conversely, deny it).

Your approach to this mental illness is to feed into it, like telling a depressed person that they really should be depressed and that they're right about their delusion that they're worthless.

This is why we have kids mutilating their genitals.

It needs to stop.
The Tea Party movement morphed into MAGA and populism. Look it up.
Firstly your definition for Gender dysphoria and mental illness prove they are not the same things.
Further Gender dysphoria and gender identity are not the same things.
So transgender people and their gender identity is not a mental illness.
Now you can think what you want about it.
But it isn't going away.
 
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The Tea Party movement morphed into MAGA and populism. Look it up.
Firstly your definition for Gender dysphoria and mental illness prove they are not the same things.
Further Gender dysphoria and gender identity are not the same things.
So transgender people and their gender identity is not a mental illness.
Now you can think what you want about it.
But it isn't going away.
MAGA is populist. Nobody under 20 even knows what the Tea Party is because it wasn't populist; it was strictly a conservative movement.

Of course transgender people aren't going away. Mental illness is a fact of life. We will always have people who struggle with depression, too. This is why we have to treat them with proper care.

You can think what you want, but there are only two sexes [male/female] and two corresponding genders [masculine/feminine]. You can even mix them up... a woman can be masculine and a man can be feminine. And what's masculine and feminine change in time and place... wearing heels was not exclusively feminine in the old days.

But that's it in a nutshell.
 
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MAGA is populist. Nobody under 20 even knows what the Tea Party is because it wasn't populist; it was strictly a conservative movement.

Of course transgender people aren't going away. Mental illness is a fact of life. We will always have people who struggle with depression, too. This is why we have to treat them with proper care.

You can think what you want, but there are only two sexes [male/female] and two corresponding genders [masculine/feminine].
Watch the PBS documentary America's Great Divide the unedited version. They talk about this.
The Tea Part movement kickstarted and morphed into what we call MAGA today.
And its not just me thinking what I want.
The scientific and medical community agree that sex and gender identity are not the same things.
That has already legitimized trans people via legislation in countries like Canada.
The US is a backward shit hole and it takes time for them to usually catch up.
So in the next decade or so, you will see this change.
It is a civil rights issue and no matter how much you call it a mental illness, it is going to work out in favour of trans people eventually.
They said the same thing about gay people back in the day as an example.
 

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Watch the PBS documentary America's Great Divide the unedited version. They talk about this.
The Tea Part movement kickstarted and morphed into what we call MAGA today.
And its not just me thinking what I want.
The scientific and medical community agree that sex and gender identity are not the same things.
That has already legitimized trans people via legislation in countries like Canada.
The US is a backward shit hole and it takes time for them to usually catch up.
So in the next decade or so, you will see this change.
It is a civil rights issue and no matter how much you call it a mental illness, it is going to work out in favour of trans people eventually.
They said the same thing about gay people back in the day as an example.
Yes we've established that biological sex does not always correspond with someone's sexual identity - gender dysphoria.

What do you mean by trans people being "legitimized"? We know they exist and want to help them.

The gender pronouns, genital mutilation, and everything under the sun that you know about trans comes from the USA, not Canada. The USA leads and Canada follows. Gender ideology is a USA export, not the other way around.

As fervently as you believe that it's not a mental illness, it is, and will always be recognized as such in virtually every corner of the planet. Believe me, you're not winning over the hearts and minds of even Western Europeans, let alone South Americans, Eastern Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners, and Asians.

The overwhelming majority in the USA and Canada applaud banning trans in women's sports. It's like you haven't learned anything from this thread thus far. You represent a tiny but loud radical group promoting a crazy ideology.

MAGA only exists because of Trump. No morphing is/was required from any other movement for its existence. The majority of Americans see lunacy like the ideology you support above, and reject it. On social issues, common sense is the heart and soul of MAGA.

With regard to gay people, being gay is a sexual abnormality however they don't deny their biological sex and they don't want to impose changes in language. What people do in their bedroom is their business.
 
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