"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

southpaw

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Zionism is the desire for Jews to have their own state.
Duh. Wouldn't that be, by definition, an ethnostate?

The Nazis wanted a state for Aryans. ISIS wants a Caliphate. I wouldn't support them either.
 

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Great. I'm sure the Iranian people will be happy with the North Korea level of isolation.

But part of me prefers the honesty rather than their decades long policy of being a threat to quickly make nukes whenever they want.
Iran is pretty much at NK levels of isolation
 

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Careful, you say Zionism 5 times, Frankfooter shows up. You were barely safe on that one.
LOL. Who cares. He has been discredited and marginalized.

I got banned for a month because of all of the over the top arguments I got into with him, but as he posted more and more, those arguments helped expose his lies and hypocrisy as he got routinely painted into corners by contradicting himself and was unable/unwilling to respond on so many occasions when I challenged him. The more he posted, the more he ruined his own reputation. Nowadays, people don't take his posts seriously. Instead they are simply mocked. That is why, since my return I do not engage him as I previously did. He's a shadow of his former self.

As well, he got banned for a month as did I and in that time the whole board could see how much more civil the Politics Forum was in his absence. For the most part, it is mission accomplished for me.

I didn't at all like getting banned, but there are some good things that came out of it.
 
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Duh. Wouldn't that be, by definition, an ethnostate?
It could very well be an ethnostate, but it is not Zionism. Zionism refers specifically to one ethnicity. Jews. D'uh.

The Nazis wanted a state for Aryans. ISIS wants a Caliphate. I wouldn't support them either.
You intentionally co-opted the term "Zionism" to mean something that it isn't. Even if the concept is similar to another cencept, that does not make them the same. You are trying to use "Zionism" in a way that helps you demonize it. Sorry. That will not pass.

You are trying to tell us that rain is the same as snow because they are both precipitation. D'uh indeed.

You should stop because each time you respond, you are making yourself look sillier and sillier.
 
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southpaw

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Zionism refers specifically to one ethnicity. Jews.
And I don't care for any ethno-nationalists. Be they Nazis, Islamists or Zionists.
 

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Glad to see you are justifying Israel's response to Oct. 7

Their survival is under greater risk than that of Iran.
It is expected Israel will respond to October 7.
Whether the response was justified or how much of it was justified is for the ICJ to rule on.
However, I do not agree that Israel was facing an existential threat on October 7.
It was a terrorist attack. Thats about it.
 

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It is expected Israel will respond to October 7.
Whether the response was justified or how much of it was justified is for the ICJ to rule on.
However, I do not agree that Israel was facing an existential threat on October 7.
It was a terrorist attack. Thats about it.
Israel has been under an existential threat since its' conception and until every one of its' neighbours acknowledges in writing that they they recognize Israel's right to exist.

Even still, Israel must prepare its' readiness to defend itself as if no such acknowledgements were ever made. That is Israel's lot. They can never let their guard down.

One lapse in readiness could mean their extinction. They actually got lucky with the failure of Oct. 7.

The ICJ, nor anyone else, is qualified to speak as to how much Israel values its' own existence.
 

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I understand that. But you cannot use Zionism in the context of any other ethnicity than Jews and Israel. That is my point.
Point taken. And my point is that the West doesn't need to support it.
 

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The US has had nukes long before Trump. So maybe put your TDS aside for a moment and answer the question from a nation perspective.
But the present US government is unhinged and follows no rational methods of diplomacy. The President today is an unhinged grifter who has only one burning desire... to be notorious ( whether for good or bad deeds, it doesn't matter and if it's bad, he just calls it good)
 
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Israel has been under an existential threat since its' conception and until every one of its' neighbours acknowledges in writing that they they recognize Israel's right to exist.

Even still, Israel must prepare its' readiness to defend itself as if no such acknowledgements were ever made. That is Israel's lot. They can never let their guard down.

One lapse in readiness could mean their extinction. They actually got lucky with the failure of Oct. 7.

The ICJ, nor anyone else, is qualified to speak as to how much Israel values its' own existence.
You know, if you wanted peace you could push for Israel to stop invading other countries and taking their land.
That makes Israel an existential threat to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria directly, and an existential threat to Egypt, Iran and Yemen indirectly.

Why won't you accept Palestine's right to exist?
The world does, why won't you?

 
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