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Frankfooter

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So glad you asked

Ontario's financial constraints are rooted in too much debt
It became the largest non sovereign debt holder in the world under the Dalton the Dummy and Granny Wynne, who allowed Gerald Butts to guide them in the disastrous Gerald Butts green energy failure scheme, in addition to union appeasement which has Bob Rea's finger prints all over it

So to be specific, Dalton the Dummy, Granny Wynne, Bob Rea and Gerald Butts are the architects of Ontario's economic shitshow
A real team effort.

This an undeniable fact, so you can learn from the answer to your question or you can remain ignorant and socialist.
That's not an excuse for Ford.
He added more debt, lost more jobs, cut more services and made Ontario pay for expensive privatization and idiotic projects like Ontario Place and the Science Centre.
 

bver_hunter

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Again,


You're not going to talk past this.
Read this first and tell us what you disagree with:

Ford to blame for Ontario’s surging debt

 
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Frankfooter

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DesRicardo

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Read this first and tell us what you disagree with:

Ford to blame for Ontario’s surging debt

How many times do I have to give you the answer?



Liberals cheat, They lie. They're crooked.
 

bver_hunter

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DesRicardo

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Once again scrutinize the link in Post # 102!!
Liberals cheat. Liberals lie.

Then they point the finger at Conservative when they're left cleaning up the mess.

How do you compare real number to fake numbers?

Go scrutinize post# 86.
 

bver_hunter

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Liberals cheat. Liberals lie.

Then they point the finger at Conservative when they're left cleaning up the mess.

How do you compare real number to fake numbers?

Go scrutinize post# 86.
You think that a former illegal cannabis street vendor is to be trusted?

Wait for the RCMP Investigation into how he intended to funnel the cash to his rich cronies, until he was found out.

Of course you have not scrutinized Post #102!!
 

DesRicardo

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You think that a former illegal cannabis street vendor is to be trusted?

Wait for the RCMP Investigation into how he intended to funnel the cash to his rich cronies, until he was found out.

Of course you have not scrutinized Post #102!!
Yeah, I'll wait. OK. 😆

You shouldn't be talk about crooked practices.


Fake numbers can't be compared to Real numbers.
 

JohnLarue

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You guys have to stop lying. You guys are disgusting with the lies.

Rae is the one that set Ontario in the path of destruction. The original big union budget waster.
oh ,yes, no question about it, Bob Rea started the Ontario debt death spiral
Robert Keith Rae
[3] PC CC OOnt KC (born August 2, 1948)[4] is a Canadian diplomat and former politician who is the current Canadian Ambassador to the United Nations since 2020.[5] He previously served as the 21st premier of Ontario from 1990 to 1995,
Just look at the change in slope in the 1990 to 1995 period
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In 1990 Bob Rae’s New Democratic (NDP) government was elected in Ontario and in 1993 they passed labour relations legislation favouring organized labour.
The public sector unions have been enriching themselves via provincial debt ever since

Dalton the Dummy and Granny Wynne borrowed with absolutely no thought of responsibility or concern for the future
They made Ontario the most indebted , non-sovereign entity in the world

We are well past the tipping point.
If Ontario loses the Auto industry to the US .... can you say default on the debt ? , good bye to the health care we supposedly were guaranteed in exchange for high taxes.

The loonie left ...... just ignore financial reality for some strange reason
Sadly it cost everyone
 
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wigglee

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So glad you asked

Ontario's financial constraints are rooted in too much debt
It became the largest non sovereign debt holder in the world under the Dalton the Dummy and Granny Wynne, who allowed Gerald Butts to guide them in the disastrous Gerald Butts green energy failure scheme, in addition to union appeasement which has Bob Rea's finger prints all over it

So to be specific, Dalton the Dummy, Granny Wynne, Bob Rea and Gerald Butts are the architects of Ontario's economic shitshow
A real team effort.

This an undeniable fact, so you can learn from the answer to your question or you can remain ignorant and socialist.
Ford is the drunken sailor, but you're still in denial.
 

Frankfooter

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How many times do I have to give you the answer?



Liberals cheat, They lie. They're crooked.
What has that to do with the debt Doug Ford has given Ontario?

 

JohnLarue

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Ford is the drunken sailor, but you're still in denial.
Ford is not terrible, he is not great

Dalton the Dummy, Granny Wynne, Bob Rea and Gerald Butts are the architects of Ontario's economic shitshow
A real team effort.

This an undeniable fact, so you can learn from the answer to your question or you can remain ignorant and socialist.

what is really strange is how you do understand the irresponsible free spending of left wing govts have put the thing you supposedly value the most at risk
The so called social safety net.

you likely live long enough to see its demise because of the left wing govt debt burden

you are your own worse enemy.

I don't give a rats ass what happens to you
the really sad / evil part of your foolish support for left wing govts is the impact it ultimately has on other people
now go hide in shame
 
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Anbarandy

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Just look at the change in slope in the 1990 to 1995 period
View attachment 399416
God bless TERB's sole, multi-billionaire capitalist titan of industry, trade and self-serving charts.

How typically convenient that Pepe Larue's graph ends in 2015.

The $100billion of net new debt plopped onto the backs of taxpayers in just 6 short f*cked up years by The Cashman The Debtman, Thug Fraud, in just 6 short years apparently doesn't exist in Pepe's world.

"I'm the Debtman man, I'll give u debt for you to hold, hold, hold. Oh yeah!"
 
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bver_hunter

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Yeah, I'll wait. OK. 😆

You shouldn't be talk about crooked practices.


Fake numbers can't be compared to Real numbers.
Crooked Practices..........ROTFLMAO!!



 

wigglee

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Ford is not terrible, he is not great

Dalton the Dummy, Granny Wynne, Bob Rea and Gerald Butts are the architects of Ontario's economic shitshow
A real team effort.

This an undeniable fact, so you can learn from the answer to your question or you can remain ignorant and socialist.

what is really strange is how you do understand the irresponsible free spending of left wing govts have put the thing you supposedly value the most at risk
The so called social safety net.

you likely live long enough to see its demise because of the left wing govt debt burden

you are your own worse enemy.

I don't give a rats ass what happens to you
the really sad / evil part of your foolish support for left wing govts is the impact it ultimately has on other people
now go hide in shame
Bob Rae was despised by the left for bringing in "Rae Days" to curb government spending, yet you blame him? Ford's right wing government is economically far worse than Dalton or Wynne, and more importantly he is in power NOW and forcing an unnecessary election NOW. But you're still harping on Dalton.... sad AND pathetic.
 

JohnLarue

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Bob Rae was despised by the left for bringing in "Rae Days" to curb government spending, yet you blame him?
absolutely
He naively brought in union friendly legislation that has haunted the Ont govt ever since.
it was only after he granted this legislative gift to the unions and a recession that he figured out the govt could not afford the price of the gift
The unions figured they owned him and that he owed them for getting elected.
The unions did not, do not and never will concern themselves with the financial stability of the provinces finances

He tried to restrain the spending via "Rea Days" and his former union friends turned on him.
Why do you think he switched from NDP to liberal ?

The vast majority of any govt spending is on personnel cost, the public sector union employees' represent the majority of personal cost
That union friendly legislation has been abused by the public sector unions ever since
And the province has struggled with deficit spending ever since
its no secret where a lot of the borrowed $400 B debt has gone

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you can clearly see where Rea, Dalton the Dummy and Granny Wynne borrowed and accumulated massive debt
you can also clearly see when Rea's disastrous union friendly legislation turned Ont into a debt dependent

Ford's right wing government is economically far worse than Dalton or Wynne, and more importantly he is in power NOW and forcing an unnecessary election NOW. But you're still harping on Dalton.... sad AND pathetic.
What is pathetic is your economic understanding

Any idiot can borrow without restraint and have a great time, especially if they get to leave the responsibility of their massive debt to the next chump to hold the job.

If you want to find fault with Ford (and we know how desperate you are to find fault with him) it is for being that next chump.

Sound economic governance includes sound debt management and leaving the provincial balance sheet in good order for future generations
Rea, Dalton the Dummy and Granny Wynne all completely failed their economic governance responsibilities. absolute unquestionable, undeniable failure

The massive debt has gone past the tipping point
if Ontario loses the auto industry to the US, a provincial debt default is assured.

But hey, if you run into financial trouble you can always drive up to a union leaders mansion and ask for a few bucks, if you can get past the security gates and guard dogs
Perhaps then you might just realize what is pathetic

for now you will just pretend all of the above is not true, insult me or leave behind a childish laughing imoji
and that is pathetic
 
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