Blue Jays 2024

[Zoot Allures]

And how long did that take the Orioles? Also how does mlse sell a bigger market like Toronto that they’ll lose on purpose for multiple seasons.

Fans will come to see promising future stars

How long did it take the Orioles? To your point, it seems to take baseball a longer time
to rebuild than other sports but that is just my outsider observation but the alternative
is a losing team of pretenders for ever

I drool over the young talent we could get if we trade Bo and Vlad and all the vets

A prospect is no guarantee but that is why you demand several prospects for a star

knowing some will be future stars

 

[Toronto Passions]

I don't think Teo would've put them over the top. He benefited from playing on a stacked roster.

I don’t think so either, but they have to do something, so Guerrero is not the singular threat in the lineup that can be easily pitched around. And Hernandez would be a suitable talent for that.

If this team has any chance in the next couple of years to avoid a full rebuild and to just buy themselves out of this mess… extending Guerrero was priority one. And now I feel like it’s too late. All the balls are in his court, and he can command basically whatever he wants. And with these cheap ass minded fools running the organization, I think we can kiss Guerrero goodbye. I have a really sick feeling baseball will be dead in Toronto in the coming years and we will be sadly comparable to the 2000s.

Philip

 

[onomatopoeia]

Fans will come to see promising future stars

How long did it take the Orioles? To your point, it seems to take baseball a longer time
to rebuild than other sports but that is just my outsider observation but the alternative
is a losing team of pretenders for ever

I drool over the young talent we could get if we trade Bo and Vlad and all the vets

A prospect is no guarantee but that is why you demand several prospects for a star

knowing some will be future stars

Paying Chris Davis $23 Million per season to hit .168 made a long rebuild inevitable. Almost every team that signs anyone to those huge money deals lives to regret it, and ends up in the second division year after year because of it. Even if they can trade the player, they usually have to eat most of the remaining guaranteed money.

Ohtani is an exception; any team would have gladly given him the same deal that he accepted from the Dodgers.

 

[tml]

Yet the now have a stupid lottery draft

And, if a team has been in the lottery for a few years they are excluded for the next. This year Oakland and the White Sox will not be participating in the draft lottery despite horrific records.

 

[Zoot Allures]

Paying Chris Davis $23 Million per season to hit .168 made a long rebuild inevitable. Almost every team that signs anyone to those huge money deals lives to regret it, and ends up in the second division year after year because of it. Even if they can trade the player, they usually have to eat most of the remaining guaranteed money.

Ohtani is an exception; any team would have gladly given him the same deal that he accepted from the Dodgers.

I question such a long term deal to anyone including Ohtani and Soto as they may get injured

Ohanti could not pitch or bat in post season due to injury

Vlad will require such a superstar deal so I say trade him

Fill your team with enough stars and you do not need a superstar

 

[roddermac]

I question such a long term deal to anyone including Ohtani and Soto as they may get injured

Ohanti could not pitch or bat in post season due to injury

Vlad will require such a superstar deal so I say trade him

Fill your team with enough stars and you do not need a superstar

The problem with the Blue Jays is Shatkins haven't been able to draft and develop players the way Houston has been able to.

 

[The Oracle]

Paying Chris Davis $23 Million per season to hit .168 made a long rebuild inevitable. Almost every team that signs anyone to those huge money deals lives to regret it, and ends up in the second division year after year because of it. Even if they can trade the player, they usually have to eat most of the remaining guaranteed money.

Wonder if they knew he was using Adderall when they signed him to that big deal.

 

[Zoot Allures]

The problem with the Blue Jays is Shatkins haven't been able to draft and develop players the way Houston has been able to.

agree that it all comes down to good management and shatkins is not elite management
so it makes more sense to spend money on great management than players

 

[chodge]

Shitkins or shit cans or shatkins for plural

 

[Insidious Von]

Vlady's gone.

The Jays will be scrapping their asses at the bottom of the AL East, all because Ed Rogers was too chicken to fire Shatkins. Bob Uecker won't even sign with the Jays.

 

[tb_12_GOAT]

Vlady's gone.

The Jays will be scrapping their asses at the bottom of the AL East, all because Ed Rogers was too chicken to fire Shatkins. Bob Uecker won't even sign with the Jays.

Couple of jackasses in their basement? That's who you are listening too?

Sure Shatkins needs to go but Vlad will be staying in Toronto. Bo on the other hand is gone at the end of 2025.

 

[Toronto Passions]

 

[unassuming]

Bo Bichette has cut his hair, he now looks like the son of Pierre Poilievre!

Vladdy cut his hair last season and had a great second half, hopefully the reverse Sampson effect happens for BB.

Toronto Blue Jays’ Bo Bichette chops his hair – Breakfast Television

www.breakfasttelevision.ca

 

[Toronto Passions]

Bo Bichette has cut his hair, he now looks like the son of Pierre Poilievre!

Vladdy cut his hair last season and had a great second half, hopefully the reverse Sampson effect happens for BB.

Toronto Blue Jays’ Bo Bichette chops his hair – Breakfast Television

www.breakfasttelevision.ca

Bichette’s haircut is about the only chance this team has to do anything in 2025. Looks a lot like this free agent pool is going to dry up and as expected nobody will take the Blue Jays seriously because they don’t have the guarantee of having locked up the franchise player….. if this administration was as smart as they think they are, they would’ve listened to Buck Martinez many moons ago talking about how locking up Vladimir Guerrero needs to be priority number one so that other free agents will take them seriously. Since we were led to believe that they were trying to avoid a rebuild, and since we were led to believe that they will buy themselves out of this mess… The handling of Guerrero is inexcusable. He openly stated numerous times he wants to stay in Toronto and sign an extension… And this administration completely goofed that up. Some twisted false search for perfection that doesn’t exist. Shapiro refusing to acknowledge Guerrero as a generational player during the end of the year pressor. So at this point, why the hell should Guerrero be loyal to these guys when he sees the money that’s out there waiting for him. The word is now that the Blue Jays offered him 340 million and Guerrero rejected it. And why the hell wouldn’t he? Rogers is willing to open up the vault and give an obscene amount of money to both Ohtani and Soto.. but Guerrero is not a generational player according to Shapiro and is supposed to accept half of the money they are willing to give to those free agents. This whole organization is being run straight into the ground. If we find Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro so unbelievably annoying… Imagine what the entire organization and all of the players think.


Philip

 

[onomatopoeia]

Ross Stripling just signed with the San Francisco Giants. Fuck!!

Philip

Here's what the Giants got from Ross Stripling for $25 Million:



They paid most of his 2024 salary after pawning him off to the A's.

 

[The Oracle]

Yankees trade for Cody Bellinger...They've promised him center from what I've read. Probably sub him in at first as well.

So far this off season they have added...Max Fried, Devin William and Bellinger...All good moves by the Bombers.

They need one more big bat though.

I'm surprised that the Blue Jays front office is being so docile thus far. Their fans are amongst the best in the game. They deserve better.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Yankees trade for Cody Bellinger...They've promised him center from what I've read. Probably sub him in at first as well.

So far this off season they have added...Max Fried, Devin William and Bellinger...All good moves by the Bombers.

They need one more big bat though.

I'm surprised that the Blue Jays front office is being so docile thus far. Their fans are amongst the best in the game. They deserve better.

Must be nice to have a GM that’s aggressively making moves. Yankee fans have been calling for Cashman to be fired for years. Sure OK maybe we can trade Ross Akins for Cashman.

Philip

 

[maurice93]

Yankees trade for Cody Bellinger...They've promised him center from what I've read. Probably sub him in at first as well.

So far this off season they have added...Max Fried, Devin William and Bellinger...All good moves by the Bombers.

They need one more big bat though.

I'm surprised that the Blue Jays front office is being so docile thus far. Their fans are amongst the best in the game. They deserve better.

I do like the Devin Williams move (mutually good trade for both teams - both teams dealt in areas they have excessed). Max Fried is a nice move for the current window of the next 2 or 3 years - but man 8 years is scary for a 31 year old with mixed injury history. But its good for 2025 and for the Yanks that is what matters as Judge and Cole are not getting younger. So I'm good with it, and deal with the ramifications later.

However, regarding Bellinger. I have to strongly disagree that this was a good move for the Yanks. It's a bad move, he's just not that good. 2019 was a long time ago! Willingly taking on the Bellinger contract (2/$52m or 1/$30m if you buy him out) reeked of desperation from the loss of Soto and the need to do something ASAP. Should have just continued to play the market (FA or trade). The Jays have done nothing much which is disappointing (but not unexpected), but taking on Bellinger might have made things worse for the Jays since while they have a big payroll, there is still a target number they have to spend.

Why did Bellinger exercise his player option, instead of opting out to become a free agent? It's because he knows he would get nowhere near $25M/year on the open market. He is overpaid.

This is what Bellinger has done the last 4 years.

2021: -1.7 WAR (one of the worst years by any player since 2000)
2022 - 1.8 WAR (a bit below average for a full time starter)
2023 - 4.4 WAR (A good year, but all the analytics (Ball in play, hard hit %), suggested there was lots of luck in his numbers and a regression was likely_
2024 - 2.2 WAR (Average starter. What do you know there was a massive regression from his "Luck" based numbers in 2023.
And he's far removed from the gold glove defence of 2019.

Basically since his MVP year in 2019, which is getting farther and farther away, he has had one season above average and analytics suggested it could have been a luck based outlier.

I'll gladly admit I was entirely wrong on this assessment if Bellinger has a good year.
I'm sure the Jays could have got in on this to if they wanted. Let's see what they do with the $25m-$30m we are told they will still spend. Will be interesting to come back to it later to see who came out ahead. It might be bad for both is my guess!

 

[maurice93]

Must be nice to have a GM that’s aggressively making moves. Yankee fans have been calling for Cashman to be fired for years. Sure OK maybe we can trade Ross Akins for Cashman.

Philip

Its not nice to have Atkins. Agreed.
He's very passive, and apparently Jays mgmt works the following way ... They set a hard $ figure they think somebody is worth, and they don't veer off it. Sometimes you have to be flexible and react to what is happening around you.

That being said at least we didn't waste a lot of our remaining $ resources on Cody Bellinger. I'm not sure if we will come up with anything great with the remaining $30m or so as Atkins passively sits around, but I'm glad it wasn't $25m on Bellinger. Would much prefer that money on Teoscar, but he is going to have a few offers, and if the Jays are not willing to move on from the hard value they set internally, they aren't going to get him.