Should Canada merge with Trump's America?

JohnLarue

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2 responses, and nothing specific, just buzzwords from conservative media.

And if CETA was Harper's deal, then you need to hang him (and PP) up for FIPA.

well if it is a hanging you want
Trudeau tax targeted small business owners - the beating heart of an economy- unbelievable stupid
Trudeau layered on a prohibitive layer of regulations on our resource sector- an unbelievable stupid thing to do to a resource base economy
Trudeau was given 4 viable pipeline projects, he killed 2 outright, overregulated the third to the point the developer gave up
he was force to over pay for the fourth and turned it into a money pit
Trudeau's carbon tax has driven up costs for business, farmers and consumers
he quietly added another carbon tax which is an additional layer of taxation on business, farmers
Trudeau increased payroll taxes another burden on business
Trudeau has driven hundreds of billions of dollars of investment away from Canada . Risk money runs away from stupid
Trudeau destroyed the federal govts finances
Trudeau expanded the size of the Federal govt by 25 % (I am not 100% sure of the %) with not perceived benefit for the average Canadian
Trudeau flooded the country with excessive immigration messing up housing,/ shelter and putting strain on a fragile health care system
Canadian GDP per capita (Standard of living) has languished behind the US significantly
the poorest state Mississippi has a better GDP per capita than Canada now

He is a fool who has made a god awful mess
 
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This is exactly what people mean when they accuse Canadian Conservatives of wetting their collective diapers in dealing with Trump. In Canada we choose our own leaders based on what we want; not because we are obsequious ass-kissing sycophants when dealing with a fascist bully.



The one thing we know for sure is that appeasing bullies never works. If Canada allows itself to be bullied into selecting a leader that Trump approves of we’ll wind up as a US colony governed by Matt Gaetz.

Conservatives desperately need to grow a pair.
still ignoring reality and willing to back a moron who had done much damage to you country
tell that to your kids
they will get the bill for Trudeaus mess

The one thing we know for sure is that appeasing bullies never works.
says the union man who has no qualms about screwing over students/ parents for personal gain
you have zero shame and are quite the hypocrite
 
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If Canada was to merge with the US the Dems would never lose another presidential election. Trump should think these things thru before running out his Shecky Green impressions.
Why should Canadians have full voting rights? If America takes Canada then Canadians should be kept as second class citizens with no voting rights.
And there’s a great way to do it - electoral college!
just assign Canada one single elector and it’s perfect 👌
 
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In Canada we choose our own leaders based on what we want; not because we are obsequious ass-kissing sycophants when dealing with a fascist bully.
Canada will soon choose a new leader and will sweep out the ass-kissing sycophants who for some ungodly reason allowed themselves to led by a narcissistic moron Justin Trudeau.
 
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First Trump has to buy Greenland in order to annex it. He gave them $12 Million for "Economic Development" in 2020.
Wonder what happened to the purchase? 😁 🤣


Ohhh, apparently the latest is that the purchase will happen when Trump "wins the 2028 Elections"!!:rolleyes:

Georgia Representative Mike Collins, a staunch ally of President-elect Donald Trump, has appeared to float the idea of the United States once again trying to purchase Greenland.

On Thursday, Collins posted an image on X (formerly Twitter) of Trump's winning 2024 Electoral College map with the addition of Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark. The island was colored in red, appearing to suggest it would vote Republican if admitted to the union. "Project 2029," he wrote in the caption, potentially suggesting such a purchase could be achieved if Republicans win again in 2028.

 

JohnLarue

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Why should Canadians have full voting rights? If America takes Canada then Canadians should be kept as second class citizens with no voting rights.
And there’s a great way to do it - electoral college!
just assign Canada one single elector and it’s perfect 👌
Canada would never join the states as a whole.

A far more likely scenario is Alberta says enough is enough, we shall take our natural resource and divorce from Canada , with Saskatchewan right behind them
BC would dither for a while before joining the other two
Quebec would freak as they would be cut off from the massive transfer payments they receive and try to stick Ontario with the massive Federal debt
The Maritimes would go running to the states

The US would pick one province off at a time, likely wanting nothing to do with Quebec
Completely avoidable, just as soon as Trudeau is gone
 

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well if it is a hanging you want
Trudeau tax targeted small business owners - the beating heart of an economy- unbelievable stupid
Trudeau layered on a prohibitive layer of regulations on our resource sector- an unbelievable stupid thing to do to a resource base economy
Trudeau was given 4 viable pipeline projects, he killed 2 outright, overregulated the third to the point the developer gave up
he was force to over pay for the fourth and turned it into a money pit
Trudeau's carbon tax has driven up costs for business, farmers and consumers
he quietly added another carbon tax which is an additional layer of taxation on business, farmers
Trudeau increased payroll taxes another burden on business
Trudeau has driven hundreds of billions of dollars of investment away from Canada . Risk money runs away from stupid
Trudeau destroyed the federal govts finances
Trudeau expanded the size of the Federal govt by 25 % (I am not 100% sure of the %) with not perceived benefit for the average Canadian
Trudeau flooded the country with excessive immigration messing up housing,/ shelter and putting strain on a fragile health care system
Canadian GDP per capita (Standard of living) has languished behind the US significantly
the poorest state Mississippi has a better GDP per capita than Canada now

He is a fool who has made a god awful mess
So I don't understand a lot of this, and it may be the circumstances of my life:

I am a small business owner. I'm paying a lot less tax under Trudeau. Yes, you need to structure your company properly, but that's literally doing business. In fact, I just got a bonus small business carbon tax rebate. Are you talking about capital gains? This is so easily worked around that it's not funny, and the real cost is minimal agaist the amounts that trigger the increase.

Resource Sector - Trudeau can't force oil through the states. TMX is up and running, tripling our export capacity...

Carbon Tax: Sure, but I can tell you that climate change hurts my business more than the carbon tax does, plus, like I said, bonus rebates.

And again - Ford killed a profitable (for the province) cap-and-trade system, which is why we have the system we do.

Investment and federal finances: Southern Ontario is building a ridiculous amount of factories, and those companies are not Canadian owned. And Canada's credit rating is AAA, better than the US, England, France, China, etc.

"Expanded government with no perceived benefit" - You don't and wont see the benefit of a coastguard nav beacon, but you do get fresh bread at the grocery store.

I agree on immigration, should have acted sooner to change Termp-Foreign Worker program, and prevented premiers from defunding colleges and universities, forcing them to make up the shortfalls with foreign students.

GDP per capita doesn't seem to be true from what I can find: Canada is 53k(US), Mississipi is 39k. Canada is basically tied with Germany.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but record-for-record, I'll take Trudeau every day over Poilievre.
 

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]So I don't understand a lot of this, and it may be the circumstances of my life:
if you do not understand it , why are you commenting on it ?


I am a small business owner. I'm paying a lot less tax under Trudeau.
you are either lying or an extreme outlier, lets go with the outlier

Yes, you need to structure your company properly, but that's literally doing business.
lets hope you consulted a tax expert about your corporate structure

In fact, I just got a bonus small business carbon tax rebate.
lucky you
we will assume you do not need to feed livestock, move people or material around, purchase raw materials or use much energy like many small businesses do

Are you talking about capital gains? This is so easily worked around that it's not funny, and the real cost is minimal agaist the amounts that trigger the increase.
the reference to small business was not to capital gains, thibk back to 2016/ 2017 . Trudeau has attacked small business more than just once
the capital gain tax increase is a killer for venture capital which is so very important for innovation and future economic growth , two areas Canada is woefully behind in already
it is also a dis-incentive for many doctors/ medical professionals to stay in Canada , again a chronic weakness for Canada

Resource Sector - Trudeau can't force oil through the states. TMX is up and running, tripling our export capacity...
he killed 3 of 4 pipelines and created an money pit with TM+X. Canadian oils is sold at a discount, while we import foreign oil at a premium
Carbon Tax: Sure, but I can tell you that climate change hurts my business more than the carbon tax does, plus, like I said, bonus rebates.
you are delusional if you think taxation / mankind can control the climate

And again - Ford killed a profitable (for the province) cap-and-trade system, which is why we have the system we do.
and again you are delusional if you think taxation / mankind can control the climate

Investment and federal finances: Southern Ontario is building a ridiculous amount of factories, and those companies are not Canadian owned. And Canada's credit rating is AAA, better than the US, England, France, China, etc.
Mortgage back securities were highly rated and then thy became worthless junk in 2008

"Expanded government with no perceived benefit" - You don't and wont see the benefit of a coastguard nav beacon, but you do get fresh bread at the grocery store.
ridiculous rhetoric
1 in 4 full time employed Canadians work for govt (fed, prov, municipal). That is not economically sustainable

I agree on immigration, should have acted sooner to change Termp-Foreign Worker program, and prevented premiers from defunding colleges and universities, forcing them to make up the shortfalls with foreign students.
Trudeau's immigration policy was ideologically based
Ready, shoot, aim
You cannot run a country that way and expect success

GDP per capita doesn't seem to be true from what I can find: Canada is 53k(US), Mississipi is 39k. Canada is basically tied with Germany.
keep looking


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I'm not saying he's perfect, but record-for-record, I'll take Trudeau every day over Poilievre.
You are entitled to your opinion
it is an outlier and a strange opinion at that

i do not believe you understand the damage he has done, however it will become clear if you are truly objective
inflation may not impact you as much, consider yourself fortunate... so far
it most defiantly does/ has impact most Canadians

Trudeau is a moron, who was never qualified for the job
He is going to get destroyed in the next election.
inflation is political kryptonite for incumbent govts
 
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How can you call yourself a Canadian by keeping Trudeau in power for a decade?
Uh, well, it's called being in a parliamentary democracy. You might not like him (and I don't), but his party got enough votes to hold government. You can cry all you want, and you might not like all of his policies, but the Liberals are the government until we have another election. Calling him or his supporters un-Canadian is a slippery slope. I don't think that of Conservatives....unless they want to sell the country out to the US....which you sort of sound like you want to...
 

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just be clear i do not want Canada to become the 51st state. No, No and No again. (finally sometime we agree upon)

but, you are delusional if you think universal healthcare is sustainable in a stand alone Canada
we have an aging population , which is going to drive up utilization rates
we now have a much bigger population, thanks to the fool Justin
medical inflation is historically double CPI
and our productivity per capita has staled out
and both Federal & provincial governments are handcuffed by debt thanks to the loonie left
Justin spent the new health care money for several decades to come

universal healthcare in Canada will fall apart within your lifetime, likely when you need it the most
responsible restraint would have been prudent , but you wanted to give the public purse to a playboy moron and an irresponsible Granny Wynn


this is the point when you ask yourself ' What have I done?"
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Couple of things to keep in mind. As you pointed out, we have an aging population and a birthrate that is below replacement level. It is the same situation in the US. Trudeau was trying to get ahead of this mess by increasing immigration, something that many economists on both sides of the political spectrum applauded. They know that the US will probably need to do a similar move at some point so they can maintain their economy/productivity/social programs and what not. Did this go according to plan? No, it was messy and helped spur inflation.....but it also helped juice our GDP....

Now, as for healthcare, there are things that could or should be done, but a majority of them are at the provincial level. So, while you might want to blame Ottawa, you need to look at the decisions the premiers like Doug Ford are making. They could make investments today to improve things and make it more efficient, but they, like many governments, are kicking that can down the road.
 

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Uh, well, it's called being in a parliamentary democracy. You might not like him (and I don't), but his party got enough votes to hold government. You can cry all you want, and you might not like all of his policies, but the Liberals are the government until we have another election. Calling him or his supporters un-Canadian is a slippery slope. I don't think that of Conservatives....unless they want to sell the country out to the US....which you sort of sound like you want to...
His supporters are un-Canadian because keeping Trudeau in power has resulted in contradictions of Canadian values.
For starters, supporting a government that violates the Canadian Charter of Rights is one example of being un-Canadian and contributing to the erosion of Canadian law and values.
Neglecting our borders is essentially treason.

How many more examples would you like?
 

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I am a small business owner. I'm paying a lot less tax under Trudeau. Yes, you need to structure your company properly, but that's literally doing business. In fact, I just got a bonus small business carbon tax rebate. Are you talking about capital gains? This is so easily worked around that it's not funny, and the real cost is minimal agaist the amounts that trigger the increase.
Are you paying the incorporated small business tax rate of ~12.2% (fed + prov) and a capital gains inclusion of 33%?
 

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See, this is it. My business caters to the extremely wealthy. They're doing fine. Which is why I'm at where I'm at: Wealth inequality is the driver for much of the societal issues you are reacting to.
Are you paying the incorporated small business tax rate of ~12.2% (fed + prov) and a capital gains inclusion of 33%?
I'm not selling capitol assets regularly. And the capital gains tax rate is not 33%.


I'm more than 10 years from retirement, and I might not sell my office when I retire. But if I do, and it's appreciated $2m when I sell it, I'm coming out ahead. If it's worth 3million, I'm losing 13% of 3 million, instead of gaining 8% of 2 million, so I still come out ahead.
 
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His supporters are un-Canadian because keeping Trudeau in power has resulted in contradictions of Canadian values.
For starters, supporting a government that violates the Canadian Charter of Rights is one example of being un-Canadian and contributing to the erosion of Canadian law and values.
Neglecting our borders is essentially treason.

How many more examples would you like?
Treason, in Canada is defined as:


  • 46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
    • (a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
    • (b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
    • (c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
  • Marginal note:Treason
    (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
    • (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
    • (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
    • (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
    • (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
    • (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
Wherein lies the problem: People saying "Trudeau is ruining Canada" believes in fictional version of Canada. You are applying filtered-through-a-youtuber-in-his-car interpretations of US law to Canada, and being mad that Trudeau is following Canadian law as it's written.
 

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Couple of things to keep in mind. As you pointed out, we have an aging population and a birthrate that is below replacement level. It is the same situation in the US. Trudeau was trying to get ahead of this mess by increasing immigration, something that many economists on both sides of the political spectrum applauded.
well he screwed that up real good
quantity over quality is a bad plan
not a care in the world about rapid immigration growth on housing demand, infrastructure or health care capacity
if you are going to welcome new comers, select the ones that will be productive and meet the skills demand.
Trudeaus former Immigration minister Ahmed Hussen, lowered he criteria to 'Do you have a pulse" ?
more of Trudeaus ready, shoot, aim policy making - the work of a fool.

They know that the US will probably need to do a similar move at some point so they can maintain their economy/productivity/social programs and what not.
try to keep up with current events.
The US will not rapidly increase immigration and repeat Trudeaus disaster

Did this go according to plan? No, it was messy and helped spur inflation.....but it also helped juice our GDP....
not GDP per capita
In November 2024 Canada added 51,000 jobs , which sounds like a good headline..... until you read further and see an extra 137,800 extra people started looking for work in the same month
There is no upside to bringing in a huge volume of people to spend their lives saving on basement apartment rent and inflated food while they search for a minimum wage job against an ever increasing volume of unskilled labor competition.
Meanwhile their incremental health care needs require funding from the public purse.
more of Trudeaus ready, shoot, aim policy making - the work of a fool.


Now, as for healthcare, there are things that could or should be done, but a majority of them are at the provincial level. So, while you might want to blame Ottawa, you need to look at the decisions the premiers like Doug Ford are making. They could make investments today to improve things and make it more efficient, but they, like many governments, are kicking that can down the road.
do not be ridiculous
the provinces finances are a mess and Trudeau dumps net unproductive immigrants on the provinces and increases the services demands on the provinces every single day

more of Trudeaus ready, shoot, aim policy making - the work of a fool.
 
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