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The 2024 US Presidential election

DesRicardo

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Skoob

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Once again when they are new voters they have to vote with IDs.
The existing voters do not have to and no significant voter fraud has been detected. Proof is in the pudding.
I do not care how the Americans various States do conduct their elections, but the only one who had been bitching about fraud is Trump and his cronies!!
Goodness knows why you still believe the conspiracy theories that have been fully debunked in the 60 plus court cases!!
Do you think that the Courts were wrong? How did you come to the conclusion that 20 million voters were false in the 2020 Elections?
So you think 20 million voters just disappeared this time?

Is asking everyone to provide photo ID when voting something nefarious.
Tell us why you believe there is zero voter fraud.
 

bver_hunter

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So you think 20 million voters just disappeared this time?

Is asking everyone to provide photo ID when voting something nefarious.
Tell us why you believe there is zero voter fraud.
Where do you get the 20 million votes disappearing? Your conspiracy theory has no bounds. Below are the Total Biden / Trump 2020 votes - Total Harris / Trump 2024 votes math:

155,508,985 - 147,289,517 = 8,219,468

Yes, 8.2 million votes and NOT 20 MILLION. Remember that many Muslims due to the Gaza and Lebanon wars have either stayed away from voting or voted for a third party candidate. Small numbers voted for Trump and Harris. Then many other voters who voted for Biden did not bother to show up as they were not too happy with either candidates.
So just give that so called "Voter Fraud" a rest!!
 
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Skoob

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Where do you get the 20 million votes disappearing? Your conspiracy theory has no bounds. Below are the Total Biden / Trump 2020 votes - Total Harris / Trump 2024 votes math:

155,508,985 - 147,289,517 = 8,219,468

Yes, 8.2 million votes and NOT 20 MILLION. Remember that many Muslims due to the Gaza and Lebanon wars have either stayed away from voting or voted for a third party candidate. Small numbers voted for Trump and Harris. Then many other voters who voted for Biden did not bother to show up as they were not too happy with either candidates.
So just give that so called "Voter Fraud" a rest!!
You keep refusing to answer why you don't support voter ID. i.e. show photo ID every time someone votes.

You also think there is zero voter fraud?
 
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Anbarandy

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Where do you get the 20 million votes disappearing? Your conspiracy theory has no bounds. Below are the Total Biden / Trump 2020 votes - Total Harris / Trump 2024 votes math:

155,508,985 - 147,289,517 = 8,219,468

Yes, 8.2 million votes and NOT 20 MILLION. Remember that many Muslims due to the Gaza and Lebanon wars have either stayed away from voting or voted for a third party candidate. Small numbers voted for Trump and Harris. Then many other voters who voted for Biden did not bother to show up as they were not too happy with either candidates.
So just give that so called "Voter Fraud" a rest!!
As the presidential votes are still being tallied, Trump's margin of the popular vote keeps, like his dick, shriveling and shrinking.

From the greatest presidential landslide victory like the world has never seen before to a pedestrian:

Trump 76.528 million > Harris 73.880million

Margin of 2.648 milliom

Trump 50% > Harris 48.2 of popular vote.

A 1.8% difference

5.2million, or 3.3%, fewer overall votes cast than the 2020 presidential election.

Hardly a basis of anything other than the facts.


Here's the real question though:

What chicanery did the Republican operatives employ to delete 5.2 million votes cast for Harris?

And why do Trumpturds keep refusing to answer this question?
 

bver_hunter

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You keep refusing to answer why you don't support voter ID. i.e. show photo ID every time someone votes.

You also think there is zero voter fraud?
Listen, you in the first place was the one coming up with this ridiculous number of 20 million votes lost.
What are these 20 million that you are referring to, as you have not precisely clarified that number?

I already answered the voter ID question. Again first time voters are supposed to show that ID.
Others who have voted in the past do not have to do so. They will have to confirm their age and address when they show up.
If no fraud have been detected and the only ones who have been prosecuted are mainly Republicans, then what is your issue?
 

Skoob

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Listen, you in the first place was the one coming up with this ridiculous number of 20 million votes lost.
What are these 20 million that you are referring to, as you have not precisely clarified that number?

I already answered the voter ID question. Again first time voters are supposed to show that ID.
Others who have voted in the past do not have to do so. They will have to confirm their age and address when they show up.
If no fraud have been detected and the only ones who have been prosecuted are mainly Republicans, then what is your issue?
Why do you not support showing photo ID every time someone votes?
You keep avoiding the question.
 
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Butler1000

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Listen, you in the first place was the one coming up with this ridiculous number of 20 million votes lost.
What are these 20 million that you are referring to, as you have not precisely clarified that number?

I already answered the voter ID question. Again first time voters are supposed to show that ID.
Others who have voted in the past do not have to do so. They will have to confirm their age and address when they show up.
If no fraud have been detected and the only ones who have been prosecuted are mainly Republicans, then what is your issue?
So when I vote in Canada I am required to bring photo I.D., my voter card, and proof of address. Why is this so onerous? It's a very simple thing to produce. They give you multiple options to use.

Why would only producing it once be sufficient? Do you think the poll workers remember every voter every 2 and 4 years?

That's ridiculous. Are you saying the basic requirements of pretty much every Western nation are to stringent for only the USA?
 

Valcazar

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So when I vote in Canada I am required to bring photo I.D., my voter card, and proof of address. Why is this so onerous? It's a very simple thing to produce. They give you multiple options to use.
Canada isn't using Voter ID to try and skew the vote, though.
Try a simple thought exercise.
"They give you multiple options to use."
(They even let you vote without ID here in Canada. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e)

What if they didn't?
What if they were very careful to restrict the options you could use?
 
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bver_hunter

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Why do you not support showing photo ID every time someone votes?
You keep avoiding the question.
Where did you come up with the 20 million votes?
You have not even attempted to answer this question though I clearly answered your question. Just answer a question for a change!!
 

bver_hunter

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So when I vote in Canada I am required to bring photo I.D., my voter card, and proof of address. Why is this so onerous? It's a very simple thing to produce. They give you multiple options to use.

Why would only producing it once be sufficient? Do you think the poll workers remember every voter every 2 and 4 years?

That's ridiculous. Are you saying the basic requirements of pretty much every Western nation are to stringent for only the USA?
This Photo ID is a requirement in Canada. Our laws are different to that in some of the US States. Do you think that a photo ID was always a requirement when elections were first introduced in the USA? Who said that poll workers are supposed to remember those voters? There are questions asked, that the voters have to respond correctly, otherwise it is a criminal offence to lie!!

But butler as you chimed in, can you tell me why voter frauds in most cases leads to prosecutions of Republicans?
 

Butler1000

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This Photo ID is a requirement in Canada. Our laws are different to that in some of the US States. Do you think that a photo ID was always a requirement when elections were first introduced in the USA? Who said that poll workers are supposed to remember those voters? There are questions asked, that the voters have to respond correctly, otherwise it is a criminal offence to lie!!

But butler as you chimed in, can you tell me why voter frauds in most cases leads to prosecutions of Republicans?
You didn't answer? What is wrong with proper I.D.?
 

Butler1000

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Canada isn't using Voter ID to try and skew the vote, though.
Try a simple thought exercise.
"They give you multiple options to use."
(They even let you vote without ID here in Canada. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e)

What if they didn't?
What if they were very careful to restrict the options you could use?
How does it skew the vote? Are you trying to say certain demographics are Incapable of presenting I.D? Other nations don't. Please explain.
 

bver_hunter

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You didn't answer? What is wrong with proper I.D.?
Butler, I answered the question umpteen times. But why can you not answer why The Republicans are the mainly the ones to be prosecuted for voter fraud in spite of those voter IDs being legislated in some of those States?

Republican former congressional candidate charged with stealing ballots in Indiana
Larry Savage was participating in a test of the voting system in Madison county when police say he took two ballots

 
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bver_hunter

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How does it skew the vote? Are you trying to say certain demographics are Incapable of presenting I.D? Other nations don't. Please explain.
Still not happy with Option 3??

Option 3: If you don't have ID
You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.

The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).
 
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Skoob

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Where did you come up with the 20 million votes?
You have not even attempted to answer this question though I clearly answered your question. Just answer a question for a change!!
There have been numbers that range from 8 million to 20 million. Is 8 million an insignificant number to you even if that were it? Stop distracting.

You haven't answered anything. You just keep repeating the same bs over and over again.

here...let me prove it to you:

Why don't you support every voter having to show photo ID when casting their vote?
 
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