The 2024 US Presidential election

[bver_hunter]

Why do you not support showing photo ID every time someone votes?
You keep avoiding the question.

Where did you come up with the 20 million votes?
You have not even attempted to answer this question though I clearly answered your question. Just answer a question for a change!!

 

[bver_hunter]

So when I vote in Canada I am required to bring photo I.D., my voter card, and proof of address. Why is this so onerous? It's a very simple thing to produce. They give you multiple options to use.

Why would only producing it once be sufficient? Do you think the poll workers remember every voter every 2 and 4 years?

That's ridiculous. Are you saying the basic requirements of pretty much every Western nation are to stringent for only the USA?

This Photo ID is a requirement in Canada. Our laws are different to that in some of the US States. Do you think that a photo ID was always a requirement when elections were first introduced in the USA? Who said that poll workers are supposed to remember those voters? There are questions asked, that the voters have to respond correctly, otherwise it is a criminal offence to lie!!

But butler as you chimed in, can you tell me why voter frauds in most cases leads to prosecutions of Republicans?

 

[Butler1000]

This Photo ID is a requirement in Canada. Our laws are different to that in some of the US States. Do you think that a photo ID was always a requirement when elections were first introduced in the USA? Who said that poll workers are supposed to remember those voters? There are questions asked, that the voters have to respond correctly, otherwise it is a criminal offence to lie!!

But butler as you chimed in, can you tell me why voter frauds in most cases leads to prosecutions of Republicans?

You didn't answer? What is wrong with proper I.D.?

 

[Butler1000]

Canada isn't using Voter ID to try and skew the vote, though.
Try a simple thought exercise.
"They give you multiple options to use."
(They even let you vote without ID here in Canada. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e)

What if they didn't?
What if they were very careful to restrict the options you could use?

How does it skew the vote? Are you trying to say certain demographics are Incapable of presenting I.D? Other nations don't. Please explain.

 

[bver_hunter]

You didn't answer? What is wrong with proper I.D.?

Butler, I answered the question umpteen times. But why can you not answer why The Republicans are the mainly the ones to be prosecuted for voter fraud in spite of those voter IDs being legislated in some of those States?

Republican former congressional candidate charged with stealing ballots in Indiana
Larry Savage was participating in a test of the voting system in Madison county when police say he took two ballots

Republican former congressional candidate charged with stealing ballots in Indiana

Larry Savage was participating in a test of the voting system in Madison county when police say he took two ballots

www.theguardian.com

 

[bver_hunter]

How does it skew the vote? Are you trying to say certain demographics are Incapable of presenting I.D? Other nations don't. Please explain.

Still not happy with Option 3??

Option 3: If you don't have ID

You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.

The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).

 

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TOTAL MAYHEM ERUPTS as Trump’s PRIVATE MEETING Goes Public!

 

[Skoob]

Where did you come up with the 20 million votes?
You have not even attempted to answer this question though I clearly answered your question. Just answer a question for a change!!

There have been numbers that range from 8 million to 20 million. Is 8 million an insignificant number to you even if that were it? Stop distracting.

You haven't answered anything. You just keep repeating the same bs over and over again.

here...let me prove it to you:

Why don't you support every voter having to show photo ID when casting their vote?

 

[Skoob]

You didn't answer? What is wrong with proper I.D.?

He won't answer that question.
He would rather deflect than come to terms with his own hypocrisy.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

In the US you need ID to buy alcohol, but you don't need ID to vote

 

[Butler1000]

Still not happy with Option 3??

Nope. I'm not.

 

[Butler1000]

Butler, I answered the question umpteen times. But why can you not answer why The Republicans are the mainly the ones to be prosecuted for voter fraud in spite of those voter IDs being legislated in some of those States?

Republican former congressional candidate charged with stealing ballots in Indiana
Larry Savage was participating in a test of the voting system in Madison county when police say he took two ballots

Republican former congressional candidate charged with stealing ballots in Indiana

Larry Savage was participating in a test of the voting system in Madison county when police say he took two ballots

www.theguardian.com

No you didn't. Your answer was the rules are the rules. That's not an answer.

What is wrong with Mandatory I.D.?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858701132178354443

 

[Valcazar]

How does it skew the vote? Are you trying to say certain demographics are Incapable of presenting I.D? Other nations don't. Please explain.

Good lord, Butler.
This is simple and well documented.

You make the laws to accept ID your voters are more likely to have and reject ID voters of other parties are more likely to have.
For instance: gun owners mostly vote Republican, students mostly vote Democrat.
Therefore you pass an ID law that makes gun permits legal ID to vote but student IDs are not allowed.

There is a REASON Canada has a huge list of options, not all of which are photo ID, and even the option not to have ID.
Because the point is to make sure the system runs smoothly and you that the voting rolls are accurate and that everyone allowed to vote CAN vote.

That's not the point of "strict ID" laws in the US. The point of those is to restrict the franchise and preferably restrict it in ways that rig the system in your favour.

Now, I see later in the thread you are against the Canadian laws as well, since they provide too many options, so it seems this is just another one of those things we disagree about.

 

[richaceg]

Good lord, Butler.
This is simple and well documented.

You make the laws to accept ID your voters are more likely to have and reject ID voters of other parties are more likely to have.
For instance: gun owners mostly vote Republican, students mostly vote Democrat.
Therefore you pass an ID law that makes gun permits legal ID to vote but student IDs are not allowed.

There is a REASON Canada has a huge list of options, not all of which are photo ID, and even the option not to have ID.
Because the point is to make sure the system runs smoothly and you that the voting rolls are accurate and that everyone allowed to vote CAN vote.

That's not the point of "strict ID" laws in the US. The point of those is to restrict the franchise and preferably restrict it in ways that rig the system in your favour.

Now, I see later in the thread you are against the Canadian laws as well, since they provide too many options, so it seems this is just another one of those things we disagree about.

Voter ID is a good deterrent for election cheating...why are you liberals so against it?

 

[Valcazar]

Voter ID is a good deterrent for election cheating...why are you liberals so against it?

First of all, it isn't that great a deterrent for election cheating.

But we aren't against "voter ID".
We are against the laws designed to disenfranchise people from voting.
We're pro-voter.

It would be nice if you people took voting seriously and joined us.

A law set up like Canada's would get massive support from Democrats and really from most fair-minded Americans.
Sadly, it isn't something you lot are interested in.

 

[richaceg]

First of all, it isn't that great a deterrent for election cheating.

But we aren't against "voter ID".
We are against the laws designed to disenfranchise people from voting.
We're pro-voter.

It would be nice if you people took voting seriously and joined us.

A law set up like Canada's would get massive support from Democrats and really from most fair-minded Americans.
Sadly, it isn't something you lot are interested in.

what are you even pissed about? obviously people voted...and it was a majority win for the democrats if you really look at it...it's simply that it's moderate democrats disguised as republicans...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858158941584208255

 

[Valcazar]

what are you even pissed about? obviously people voted...and it was a majority win for the democrats if you really look at it...it's simply that it's moderate democrats disguised as republicans...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858158941584208255

Sorry.
Not sure what your weird nonsense here has to do with the discussion of voter id laws.

 

[Butler1000]

Good lord, Butler.
This is simple and well documented.

You make the laws to accept ID your voters are more likely to have and reject ID voters of other parties are more likely to have.
For instance: gun owners mostly vote Republican, students mostly vote Democrat.
Therefore you pass an ID law that makes gun permits legal ID to vote but student IDs are not allowed.

There is a REASON Canada has a huge list of options, not all of which are photo ID, and even the option not to have ID.
Because the point is to make sure the system runs smoothly and you that the voting rolls are accurate and that everyone allowed to vote CAN vote.

That's not the point of "strict ID" laws in the US. The point of those is to restrict the franchise and preferably restrict it in ways that rig the system in your favour.

Now, I see later in the thread you are against the Canadian laws as well, since they provide too many options, so it seems this is just another one of those things we disagree about.

Are you really that fucking stupid? It's bver arguing WE DON'T NEED voter I.D and me saying we do.

Wait, sorry, yes you are actually that devoid reading comprehension. I forgot. You are usually struggling with actual sentences all the time.

And as to the rest, student I.D is NOT GOVT ISSUED I.D. Gun permits are. So that was a really bad Strawman on your part. Like really bad, stupid and you need to do much better.

Also, a student at a school needs to change their voter registry. All the weird state rules and all that. It's all about residency. No different Than in Canada when they ask my address and proof of it it's to ensure I am voting in the correct riding.

It really isn't complicated. Or really that political. It's basic common sense.

Might want to try to get yourself s ome

 

[Butler1000]

First of all, it isn't that great a deterrent for election cheating.

But we aren't against "voter ID".
We are against the laws designed to disenfranchise people from voting.
We're pro-voter.

It would be nice if you people took voting seriously and joined us.

A law set up like Canada's would get massive support from Democrats and really from most fair-minded Americans.
Sadly, it isn't something you lot are interested in.

You Mean like proof of address? Photo I.D? You know, the shit Democrats are AGAINST?