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Butler1000

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Trump is already going to town with his plans, appointments . I hope you step up and criticise the repugs as you love to do with the dems when the 50 state circus comes to town in January.
I think some of them will need reigning in, some of them will need to be removed, and some shouldn't have been picked from the start.

And I think others will surprise even you. So it's a wait and see thing.
 

Leimonis

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I think some of them will need reigning in, some of them will need to be removed, and some shouldn't have been picked from the start.

And I think others will surprise even you. So it's a wait and see thing.
when nazis came to power in europe it looked okay but a canary in the coalmine was that some jews started packing their suitcases but this fascism is weirdly not anti-Jewish yet so I don't know what the canary in the mine gonna look like
 

Frankfooter

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There is definitely crossover between morals and leadership, I considered this myself. I think the fraud issue, for example, is a legitimate strike against him if real; that matters in any campaign. The rest of the sexual assault claims and pussy grabbing IMO don’t matter because unlike how Kamala tried to act like one of the hinge issues in this election was womanstuff, it absolutely was not. @drewstar wrote an excellent post on that upthread.

Anyway your point is taken and I’m in general agreement too, just not about certain points on his character or affiliations that others here have presented to me. 🤝
'if real'

Court decisions are about as real as you get. Multiple court decisions means its not just one biased trial or shoddy lawyers.
Most people argue that people elected as leaders should be held to higher standards, not lower standards.
But then again, right wingers are more tribal and don't care about standards as much as power.
I just wish that people would look around and see what has happened when populists like trump have been put in power, its not like he's unique.
 

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'if real'

Court decisions are about as real as you get. Multiple court decisions means its not just one biased trial or shoddy lawyers.
Most people argue that people elected as leaders should be held to higher standards, not lower standards.
But then again, right wingers are more tribal and don't care about standards as much as power.
I just wish that people would look around and see what has happened when populists like trump have been put in power, its not like he's unique.
The point isn’t veracity, or court decisions. That’s why I said “if true”. “If” just indicates a logical conditional, “if a then b”. My point is that it’s more salient if true, more than some stupid sexual assault or misogynistic shit said.

I get it, you think we are a brainwashed cult

There is no point pummeling me with that over and over, I just don’t agree with the basic morals of leftism.

I’m South Vietnamese, maybe this helps for context idk. I have recent ancestors who were publicly beheaded by communists and my last ancestral homes were burnt into the ground. Mausoleums of my ancestors desecrated dating back to 1750 so there would be no record of what belonged to us. All so that everyone could be “equal”. All because of people who can’t stand the wealthy (landowners at the time). You think all these leftist tendencies are “empathetic” until there’s a gun to your head. It’s not a joke, man. You can just be free to fight about it online here and now. You never had to fight for your life to escape the tyranny of the left. I didn’t either, but it’s a part of my heritage and I was raised a certain way.

Beyond that, I’ve never once said anything to you that suggests that your opinions are just you being brainwashed. Nothing I’ve ever said suggests I don’t properly think about these things. You’ve never been on the right — I’ve been on the left, and completely indoctrinated by academic institutions. So I think it’s wrong to act like I’m some narrowminded person who is just following some tribal impulse

If anything people on the right have standards and care about merits the most, and fundamentally. That’s why all the left can do is irrelevant character smearing while ignoring obvious SALIENT merits.
 
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kittykellykat

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Why do you even care about billionaires anyway? Such rabid hatred for those better off than you. It’s like ugly girls who make videos about beautiful celebs and how they must’ve gotten surgery. Just pure envy and covetous hatred. I’ve never been jealous of a person in my life. It’s not in my blood. People would do so much better in life if they just stayed in their lanes and got their own money up and flourished in whatever way is available to them.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Might want to wait on the interference thing on his son. He hasn't left office yet and his sentencing is I believe Mid December. If he pardons him or even commutes the sentence that qualifies as interference
Domestic political interference is not illegal, only foreign political interference is illegal
 

Frankfooter

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The point isn’t veracity, or court decisions. That’s why I said “if true”. “If” just indicates a logical conditional, “if a then b”. My point is that it’s more salient if true, more than some stupid sexual assault or misogynistic shit said.

I get it, you think we are a brainwashed cult

There is no point pummeling me with that over and over, I just don’t agree with the basic morals of leftism.

I’m South Vietnamese, maybe this helps for context idk. I have recent ancestors who were publicly beheaded by communists and my last ancestral homes were burnt into the ground. Mausoleums of my ancestors desecrated dating back to 1750 so there would be no record of what belonged to us. All so that everyone could be “equal”. All because of people who can’t stand the wealthy (landowners at the time). You think all these leftist tendencies are “empathetic” until there’s a gun to your head. It’s not a joke, man. You can just be free to fight about it online here and now. You never had to fight for your life to escape the tyranny of the left. I didn’t either, but it’s a part of my heritage and I was raised a certain way.

Beyond that, I’ve never once said anything to you that suggests that your opinions are just you being brainwashed. Nothing I’ve ever said suggests I don’t properly think about these things. You’ve never been on the right — I’ve been on the left, and completely indoctrinated by academic institutions. So I think it’s wrong to act like I’m some narrowminded person who is just following some tribal impulse

If anything people on the right have standards and care about merits the most, and fundamentally. That’s why all the left can do is irrelevant character smearing while ignoring obvious SALIENT merits.
I didn't say anything about you being brainwashed, I said that for the MAGA types here its generally just about tribalism and not morality at all. You identify with a group, you identify with a leader and if people attack the leader you defend your leader. Rules aren't important, power and control are.

I don't know the history of Vietnam other than understanding that the US war was just as much a disaster as communism as was previous colonialism. Is it better to just jump on board another colonial empire and hope to be on the winning end? Same with the comments about other populist leaders, really, most political methods have been tried elsewhere and you can look around to see when they work or where you think they failed. The UK tried populism under Boris J, Italy and Brazil went through populist phases. Argentina is run by a populist as is Hungary. Is there anywhere else where similar leaders with similar goals have fixed the issues you want fixed?
 
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