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JohnLarue

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Of course you are never wrong.
....According to you.
you have some serious comprehension problems

does this appear as a claim of I am never wrong?

damn , dead wrong for the third time this year, .........good thing its November
the fourth time if you include my AI mix up yesterday
it was in the same post you just quoted !!!!

look, everyone gets things wrong, it human nature
I immediately accept responsibility for a mistake

logic does not lie
the United States Department of Commerce is not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
so i fess up, right is right and wrong is wrong

you on the other hand refuse to accept logic when it is inconvenient
i.e illegal immigrants are not criminals in your strange world despite you knowing that they broke the law
the definition of a criminal is someone who broke the law
you know you are wrong but refuse to admit it

it is so easy to dismiss criticism from someone who is not honest with himself
shew away now
 

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China is an economic miracle. However, it needs far more growth to provide Western standards of living to a broader population across more of the country. The inevitable decline in population will be a drag on domestic demand. It's inevitable because the trends are baked in twenty years hence.

Sinophiles generally have a deep-seated belief in Beijing's ability to manage growth and navigate through downturns. The heavy investment/export phase is the easiest phase. It's a well-worn path followed by many industrializing countries. It's also generally easier for autocratic or oligarchic societies to implement. The first step is for the government to encourage investment and modern management techniques by liberalizing aspects of the economy in order to kick-start growth. Then the government continually reinforces a strong feedback loop between domestic profits and capital intensity (build-up). The government retains control of certain sectors and directly/indirectly subsidizes producers and capital investment at the expense of domestic consumption.

China is now facing its first great post-industrialization challenge. Economic theory suggests a strong central government cannot steer the economy through the next phase. The theory supports the view that the economy has to become more democratized. That's the sticky point because further liberalizing the economy would ultimately conflict with Beijing's power and authority.

China is a great economic story. One might even believe that China's unique form of economic development is truly extraordinary. However, I can tell you the unrelenting growth could not continue indefinitely without a bump. China has hit a rocky patch. Beijing has very difficult choices to make.



I'm not sure I follow the U.S. interest rate conspiracy. If anything, China earns a greater return on U.S. If you are saying the Fed's money printing in 2020-2022 was good for China, I probably would agree with that. I would not say it was good for the U.S. to continue with a loose monetary policy.

Generally, trading relations are mutually beneficial. (There are instances where smaller countries trade for goods and commodities that they can't produce in scale and absolutely need.) China needs U.S. demand to run its economy. For structural reasons noted above, they have been unsuccessful in stimulating domestic demand. For obvious reasons, people mistakenly get lost in the banker/borrow analogy. It's far more complicated.
Thank you for the fair and productive response rather than resorting to personal attacks.

My premise is this, and it is shared by many Asians who grew up here in Canada and the US.

The US raised interest rates to screw over China along with the rest of the world. The playbook for the US is as follows. Raise their interest rates, foreign money will flow into the US because its better investment. The exchange rate will be bad for businesses in China because it means they required to pay more local currency for the same amount of USD.

What this will result is that the local business can't keep up their operations, and will go bankrupt. When that happens, Wall Street will buy up those businesses, and properties, and land. Because now they will be paying less USD to get the same local currency.

Wall Street will buy up business in China. Then US will decrease their interest rate make exchange rate more favourable. And allow China business to recover. When that happens, their purchase of those China businesses will soar in value, and they will sell it back out for profit. Or they will keep owning them and milk the dividends. They did this in 2008 to help with Leiman bro bankruptcy. They tried to do this in 1998 or 1999 HK stock market, altho that was more Soros.

And they tried to tank China economy again in 2019 by inciting HK riot. And once again, in 2020 when covid hit. However, China has been able to defend against this playbook. By buying US money and debts. So when US increased their interest rate China used their stash of USD instead of going through exchange rate. So this just became a matter of who can last longer, US tanking their own economy by increasing the interest rate or China running out of USD first.

But this recent set of events has already resulted in a lot of German businesses going bankrupt as a bonus. The main target is China because the US cannot influence their economy unlike everyone else’s. They want stuff like china's high speed rail, seaports to go bankrupt. But China dumped massive amount of money to ensure that won't happen. German government on the otherhand, isn't going to bail out their own shit. This is what they did to Japan when Japan was second in GDP and threatening to get close to US GDP maybe like 20 years ago?

Even all the foreign interferenc rhetoric by Canada is driven primarily from a US centric POV. China doesn't care enough about Canada to interfere with its election. There are Chinese spies here, sure, but have enough influence to impact election? China is far from that. China is more like... work with me and I guarantee you will make money. That's how Russia isn't tanking after all the sanctions. Their supermarkets are now filled with Chinese products.

Bottom line. China isn't putting all their eggs into one basket that the US can easily influence. This theory will not be seen anywhere in western media, but then again China is very much a mystery to those who have never travelled there before.

The US absolutely views China as an economic threat.

EDIT: 3 factors make the US the worlds number 1 superpower: USD, US military, and US media. So, yes, absolutely economic threat, but moreover, it's the fact that all 3 of US weapons are not working in China. They can't bankrupt China the way they did to Japan. China will never buy US weapons. And China blocks us media basically. That's why Biden has more than once said, China is the greatest enemy that US has faced because China is taking on US on all fronts. US has zero influence on China relatively speaking. And worst of all, more and more Chinese are no longer buying into that US democracy is the best system on world, unlike what the Soviet union did.
 
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JohnLarue

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I said illegal immigrants weren't illegal?
Please prove I said that.
someone who is not honest with himself

do not pussyfoot around your position
good lord man, for post after post after post you refused to accept the fact illegal immigrants are criminals


prove me wrong by stating
'' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

a simple statement of fact and undeniable as you know

someone who is not honest with himself
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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do not pussyfoot around your position
good lord man, for post after post after post you refused to accept the fact illegal immigrants are criminals
No.
Stop lying and talking out of your ass.
I asked you directly as you made the accusation.
Show me ONE post where I said illegals were not illegal. ONE.
 

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And you are correct, I do think left and right ideologies emerge from more primitive basic moral intuitions, and I see them as being at odds. It’s just obvious to me that people must appeal to them implicitly in their political arguments which usually boil down to a fundamental difference in morals and moral reasoning. And I do tend to believe a person’s morals make up what they are. The basic fabric as a person, let’s call it. I think humans are fundamentally moral agents.
'primitive basic moral institutions'.
I'm curious, what would those institutions be?
Religion?
 

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'primitive basic moral institutions'.
I'm curious, what would those institutions be?
Religion?
F for reading comprehension :D

She said intuitions not institutions you blind bat :rolleyes:
 
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JohnLarue

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JohnLarue

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No.
Stop lying and talking out of your ass.
I asked you directly as you made the accusation.
Show me ONE post where I said illegals were not illegal. ONE.
do not try to waste my time
I am not going to scroll through hundreds of posts to provide you with what you know to be true

just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

and you prove me wrong


its not like i am asking you to refute gravity or prove god does not exist
copy and paste if your lazy .... but state it as is, without editing it

a simple statement of fact and its undeniable as you know
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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do not try to waste my time
I am not going to scroll through hundreds of posts to provide you with what you know to be true

just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

and you prove me wrong
copy and paste if your lazy .... but state it as is, without editing it
You made a claim (You lied).
I asked you to prove it because you said post after post after post.
Should have been easy.
But as with everything else you come up short.
Just apologize that you misstated. No need to waste anyone else's time or yours.
 
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JohnLarue

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You made a claim (You lied).
I asked you to prove it because you said post after post after post.
Should have been easy.
But as with everything else you come up short.
Just apologize that you misstated. No need to waste anyone else's time or yours.
i did not lie
post after post after post you refused to accept the fact that illegal immigrants are criminals
are you going to deny this ??????????

do you not recall pretending they had ties to the land
do you not recall pretending if they had not committed a violent crime they were not criminals

just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

and you prove me wrong
copy and paste if your lazy .... but state it as is, without editing it
talk about easy, ..... copy and paste

why are you unable to state this factual statement ?

this is strange
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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i did not lie
post after post after post you refused to accept the fact that illegal immigrants are criminals
are you going to deny this ??????????

do you not recall pretending they had ties to the land
do you not recall pretending if they had not committed a violent crime they were not criminals

just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

and you prove me wrong
copy and paste if your lazy .... but state it as is, without editing it
talk about easy, ..... copy and paste

why are you unable to state this factual statement ?

this is strange
You dont get to ask me to prove your lie wrong.
You prove your claim right.
Even here you said post after post after post.....so it should be easy.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
 
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JohnLarue

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You dont get to ask me to prove your lie wrong.
You prove your claim right.
Even here you said post after post after post.....so it should be easy.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

do you not wonder why your emotions / ideology prevent you from stating a simple statement of fact and truth ?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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just state
' yes illegal immigrants are criminals and thus are subject to the penalties as per the laws of the country they illegally entered, including deportation"

do you not wonder why your emotions / ideology prevent you from stating a simple statement of fact and truth ?
You lied about what I said. I pointed it out.
Just state - "I misspoke. That was not your claim".
 
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