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Frankfooter said:
Again, you are declaring the illegal occupation of Palestine, apartheid rule and genocide to be 'smart'.
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Every accusation....

Frankfooter said:
Do you think it was smart that Netanyahu decided to let Hamas attack so he could justify the genocide that has stalled his corruption trials?
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Has every decision Israel made the right one? Obviously not.

But you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that Oct. 7 has brought pain and suffering to Gazans. It was a stupid move.

If you refuse to acknowledge it was stupid, show us why you think it was a smart move. How has it improved things for the Palis. Time for you to run away........AGAIN.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Unlike you, Shazi, I'm willing to say when I don't know something.
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How can you not know your own opinion. Not what the actual statistically correct number is, but how many would be your best guess. Think of it as "how many jelly beans in the jar.

But thanks for proving ONE MORE TIME that you continually run away.
 
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shack said:
How can you not know your own opinion. Not what the actual statistically correct number is, but how many would be your best guess. Think of it as "how many jelly beans in the jar.

But thanks for proving ONE MORE TIME that you continually run away.
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First you want an actual number then you want my opinion.
I answered this months ago and you ignored it, now you keep changing the terms.

shack said:
Every time you refuse to answer this question, with an actual number. What % of Israeli Jews, in your personal opinion, do you believe are Zionists? Time to run away, Geno.
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You still can't even say where the borders of Israel lies but you think I should know the exact percentage of Israeli Jews who are zionists.

Is this a typical zionist?
Or is this just an Israel Jew?
How do you tell?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856791782647836853

This guy is clearly a zionist.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843357004431339765

And this Israeli Jew makes it sound like its dangerous to say you aren't a zionist.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1857201432543301842
 
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Frankfooter said:
First you want an actual number then you want my opinion.
I answered this months ago and you ignored it, now you keep changing the terms.
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It has NEVER been an actual number.

It has ALWAYS been your opinion.

Now that we've established that, go ahead and tell us. What is your opinion as to how many Israeli Jews are Zionists?

Frankfooter said:
You still can't even say where the borders of Israel lies but you think I should know the exact percentage of Israeli Jews who are Zionists.
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Totally unrelated.

Meanwhile, why don't you enlighten us as to where those borders are?
 
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shack said:
It has NEVER been an actual number.

It has ALWAYS been your opinion.

Now that we've established that, go ahead and tell us. What is your opinion as to how many Israeli Jews are Zionists?
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I don't know, I don't have enough information to guess.
Do you know?
Can you post a map yet with the borders of Israel?
Or is that too hard for you too

Totally unrelated.

Meanwhile, why don't you enlighten us as to where those borders are?
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The only borders confirmed by the UN is the partition borders.

Why is Israel blowing up civilians in Lebanon, Shazi?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1857356668994007351
 
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Frankfooter said:
I don't know, I don't have enough information to guess.
Do you know?
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I do know what my opinion is and I've repeatedly stated it. I don't have to guess. I'll even say it again.

My opinion is that you believe 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. And I know that my opinion is correct because you've never offered an alternate percentage despite being given the opportunity to do so dozens of times.

That way you can justify all Jews being driven into the sea.
 
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shack said:
I do know what my opinion is and I've repeatedly stated it. I don't have to guess. I'll even say it again.

My opinion is that you believe 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. And I know that my opinion is correct because you've never offered an alternate percentage despite being given the opportunity to do so dozens of times.

That way you can justify all Jews being driven into the sea.
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Your opinion is also that its 'really fucking smart' that Israel is committing genocide.
Clearly your opinion is worthless.

shack said:
Seeing as Israel's suffering is miniscule compared to that of the Palis (as you've incessantly complained about) it seems like it was pretty fucking smart.
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Why do you back wiping Palestine off the maps and driving Palestinians into the sea?
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Frankfooter said:
Your opinion is also that its 'really fucking smart' that Israel is committing genocide.
Clearly your opinion is worthless.
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There you go, running away once again. All you can do is deflect.

The UNGA seems to think that Israel is smart by NOT committing genocide.

But let's get back to you and how you've consistently admitted that it is your opinion that you believe that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists.
 
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shack said:
There you go, running away once again. All you can do is deflect.

The UNGA seems to think that Israel is smart by NOT committing genocide.

But let's get back to you and how you've consistently admitted that it is your opinion that you believe that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists.
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Deflection
 
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shack said:
I do know what my opinion is and I've repeatedly stated it. I don't have to guess. I'll even say it again.

My opinion is that you believe 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. And I know that my opinion is correct because you've never offered an alternate percentage despite being given the opportunity to do so dozens of times.

That way you can justify all Jews being driven into the sea.
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Deflection. Inane IMG_0071.jpeg
 
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Genocide. For the simpering deniers

There is an increasing consensus that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza because the evidence is overwhelming. Here is a reminder of some of the available and useful resources: An initial syllabus:

13 October 2023, Raz Segal, https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

15 October 2023: Public Statement: Over 800 Scholars Warn of Potential Genocide in Gaza https://twailr.com/public-statement-scholars-warn-of-potential-genocide-in-gaza/

2 November: UN experts call to prevent genocide: https://un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/

16 November: UN experts call to prevent genocide: https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

16 November, William Schabas: https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2023/11/Declaration%20Expert%20William%20Schabas_w.pdf

16 November: Holocaust and genocide scholars John Cox, Victoria Sanford, and Barry Trachtenberg declaration, https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2023/11/Historians%20Declaration_w.pdf

29 December, South Africa submission to ICJ: https://icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

29 May, South Africa's dossier of evidence of Israel's genocidal intent, the UN Security Council: **************************************/nb6ua4a5

Martin Shaw, https://x.com/martinshawx/status/1820389008880361676
UN Expert Francesca Albanese, first report on the Genocide (March 2024): https://ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

UN Expert Francesca Albanese, second report on the Genocide (October 2024): https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/279/68/pdf/n2427968.pdf…

John Quigley, “Legal Standard for Genocide Intent: An Uphill Climb for Israel in Gaza Suit”, 14 March, EJIL: https://ejiltalk.org/legal-standard-for-genocide-intent-an-uphill-climb-for-israel-in-gaza-suit/

UK Judges’ and Lawyers’ Open Letter Concerning Gaza, 3 April 2024: https://lawyersletter.uk

Jinan Bastaki, Gaza, Forced Displacement, and Genocide”, EJIL, April 2024, https://ejiltalk.org/gaza-forced-displacement-and-genocide/

Nimer Sultany, “A Threshold Crossed: On Genocidal Intent and the Duty to Prevent Genocide in Palestine”, May 2024: https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2351261

University Network for Human Rights report, May 2024: https://humanrightsnetwork.org/publications/genocide-in-gaza

Aryeh Neier, NYRB, 6 June 2024: https://nybooks.com/articles/2024/06/06/is-israel-committing-genocide-aryeh-neier/?srsltid=AfmBOopOf1xbf1Ucx3Bvo11nN7VEEL-J7IA6jCNd9mhgWGeSUcLgQ9Y7

UN Commission of Inquiry, 10 June: Detailed findings on the military operations and attacks carried out in the Occupied Palestinian Territory from 7 October to 31 December 2023: https://ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-crp-4.pdf

Oxfam, Water War Crimes report, July 2024: https://oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-using-water-weapon-war-gaza-supply-plummets-94-creating-deadly-health

Omer Bartov, 13 August: https://theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov

Haaretz, “The Numbers Show: Gaza War Is One of the Bloodiest in the 21st Century”, 14 August: https://haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-08-14/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-death-toll-in-gaza-is-bad-even-compared-to-the-wars-in-ukraine-iraq-and-myanmar/00000191-50c6-d6a2-a7dd-d1decf340000

Maryam Jamshidi, On Genocidal Intent, August: https://opiniojuris.org/2024/08/02/reflecting-on-genocidal-intent-in-the-icj-case/

Forensic Architecture: cartographic analysis of the genocide in support of South Africa’s case in the ICJ: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide…

AOAV analysis that shows that vast majority of killed in Gaza are civilians: https://aoav.org.uk/2024/casualties-in-gaza-israels-claims-of-50-combatant-deaths-dont-add-up-at-least-74-of-the-dead-are-civilians/

10 October 2024: UN Commission of Inquiry: Israel’s destruction of the health system in Gaza https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

8 November 2024: UN Commission of Inquiry: 70 percent of verified victims (October - 30 April) were children and women: https://ohchr.org/en/documents/reports/six-month-update-report-human-rights-situation-gaza-1-november-2023-30-april-2024

12 November 2024: 8 aid organisations of the systematic violation ICJ orders on humanitarian assistance, thereby establishing genocidal intent: https://oxfam.org/en/press-releases/joint-release-israel-receives-failing-grade-us-demands-gaza

14 November 2024: UN Special Committee Report https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide
 
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