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Leimonis

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You don't get it. If it becomes too expensive to import then they make it in America for the same cost without the tariff. Add in the fact it employees Americans who will in turn pay taxes. That is the whole point of tariffs.
no this is a wet dream. The "whole point of the tariffs" was to make dreamers vote.
 
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if I may add:
while tariffs can benefit specific industries, they often come with trade-offs that could harm the broader economy. Here's a balanced look at the potential negative impacts and why tariffs may hurt more than help:

1. Higher Prices for Consumers

  • How It Hurts:Tariffs on imports increase costs for businesses, which often pass these costs onto consumers. For example:
    • Tariffs on steel and aluminum make cars and appliances more expensive.
    • Tariffs on electronics raise the cost of smartphones and other devices.
  • Example: The Trump administration's tariffs on Chinese goods led to higher prices on a range of products, from washing machines to toys.
2. Retaliatory Tariffs
  • How It Hurts:Other countries may respond with their own tariffs on U.S. exports, hurting industries reliant on international markets. For example:
    • U.S. farmers were hit hard by retaliatory tariffs from China on soybeans and pork during the U.S.-China trade war.
  • Outcome: Retaliation can escalate trade tensions, reducing global trade flows.
3. Disruption to Supply Chains
  • How It Hurts: Modern industries rely on global supply chains. Tariffs increase costs and complicate sourcing, particularly for industries dependent on specific foreign inputs (e.g., semiconductors, rare earth metals).
  • Example: Automotive manufacturers faced increased production costs due to tariffs on imported parts, affecting profitability and jobs.
4. Risk to Domestic Jobs
  • How It Hurts:While tariffs may protect jobs in one sector, they can hurt jobs in others. For instance:
    • Industries using imported materials may cut jobs due to higher input costs.
    • Retailers and distributors relying on imported goods might downsize.
  • Example: In 2018, U.S. tariffs on steel led to job growth in steel production but job losses in industries like construction and manufacturing due to higher costs.
5. Limited Effectiveness in the Long Term
  • How It Hurts:Tariffs provide short-term relief but may not address structural problems. For example:
    • Industries shielded from competition may lack incentives to innovate or improve efficiency.
    • Over time, domestic industries might still struggle if they cannot compete globally.
  • Example: Tariffs on solar panels boosted U.S. panel production but failed to create a sustainable competitive advantage as costs remained higher than foreign alternatives.
6. Potential for Trade Wars
  • How It Hurts: Aggressive use of tariffs can spiral into trade wars, reducing global trade volumes and slowing economic growth.
  • Example: The U.S.-China trade war saw a tit-for-tat escalation of tariffs, which hurt both economies and dampened global trade.
7. Increased Bureaucratic Complexity
  • How It Hurts: Tariffs create administrative burdens for businesses and governments, as they navigate customs, exemptions, and compliance rules.
  • Example: Small and medium-sized businesses often struggle with the added costs and complexities of tariff compliance.
Alternatives to Tariffs:
  1. Subsidies and Tax Incentives: Support domestic industries without imposing costs on consumers.
  2. Investment in Innovation: Encourage competitiveness through R&D, workforce training, and infrastructure development.
  3. Strategic Partnerships: Negotiate trade deals that benefit domestic industries without escalating tensions.
  4. Antidumping Measures: Target unfair trade practices more narrowly rather than applying broad tariffs.
Conclusion
Tariffs can provide targeted benefits for struggling industries, but the broader economic impact often includes higher prices, job losses in other sectors, and retaliatory measures. Policymakers must weigh these trade-offs carefully and consider whether other tools might achieve the same goals with fewer downsides.
 
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JohnLarue

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no this is a wet dream. The "whole point of the tariffs" was to make idiot dreamers vote.
I am fundamentally opposed to tariffs

Amongst the major economy's the US is positioned relatively well for a tariff war


2023
% GDP US
Exports 11.63% Imports 15.41% its economy is predominately domestic

% GDP Canada
Exports 33.54% Imports 33.93% >>> yikes
good thing trump will want our energy

% GDP China
Exports 19.74% Imports 17.57% >>>> if you believe what they report
 
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JohnLarue

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They have that opportunity now.
not if their domestic competition was sourcing from China
going forward their domestic competition will be faced with the same tariffs

i am fundamentally against tariffs so i wont be hypocritical and pretend I am not concerned, Canada has some risks here
China is trumps real target, but we will get roughed up on the ride

i do find it ironic how the loonie left use to demand tariffs and scream about the race to the bottom
now they are freaking about tariffs ... because of who is going to implement them
 
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JohnLarue

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if I may add:
while tariffs can benefit specific industries, they often come with trade-offs that could harm the broader economy. Here's a balanced look at the potential negative impacts and why tariffs may hurt more than help:

1. Higher Prices for Consumers

  • How It Hurts:Tariffs on imports increase costs for businesses, which often pass these costs onto consumers. For example:
    • Tariffs on steel and aluminum make cars and appliances more expensive.
    • Tariffs on electronics raise the cost of smartphones and other devices.
  • Example: The Trump administration's tariffs on Chinese goods led to higher prices on a range of products, from washing machines to toys.
2. Retaliatory Tariffs
  • How It Hurts:Other countries may respond with their own tariffs on U.S. exports, hurting industries reliant on international markets. For example:
    • U.S. farmers were hit hard by retaliatory tariffs from China on soybeans and pork during the U.S.-China trade war.
  • Outcome: Retaliation can escalate trade tensions, reducing global trade flows.
3. Disruption to Supply Chains
  • How It Hurts: Modern industries rely on global supply chains. Tariffs increase costs and complicate sourcing, particularly for industries dependent on specific foreign inputs (e.g., semiconductors, rare earth metals).
  • Example: Automotive manufacturers faced increased production costs due to tariffs on imported parts, affecting profitability and jobs.
4. Risk to Domestic Jobs
  • How It Hurts:While tariffs may protect jobs in one sector, they can hurt jobs in others. For instance:
    • Industries using imported materials may cut jobs due to higher input costs.
    • Retailers and distributors relying on imported goods might downsize.
  • Example: In 2018, U.S. tariffs on steel led to job growth in steel production but job losses in industries like construction and manufacturing due to higher costs.
5. Limited Effectiveness in the Long Term
  • How It Hurts:Tariffs provide short-term relief but may not address structural problems. For example:
    • Industries shielded from competition may lack incentives to innovate or improve efficiency.
    • Over time, domestic industries might still struggle if they cannot compete globally.
  • Example: Tariffs on solar panels boosted U.S. panel production but failed to create a sustainable competitive advantage as costs remained higher than foreign alternatives.
6. Potential for Trade Wars
  • How It Hurts: Aggressive use of tariffs can spiral into trade wars, reducing global trade volumes and slowing economic growth.
  • Example: The U.S.-China trade war saw a tit-for-tat escalation of tariffs, which hurt both economies and dampened global trade.
7. Increased Bureaucratic Complexity
  • How It Hurts: Tariffs create administrative burdens for businesses and governments, as they navigate customs, exemptions, and compliance rules.
  • Example: Small and medium-sized businesses often struggle with the added costs and complexities of tariff compliance.
Alternatives to Tariffs:
  1. Subsidies and Tax Incentives: Support domestic industries without imposing costs on consumers.
  2. Investment in Innovation: Encourage competitiveness through R&D, workforce training, and infrastructure development.
  3. Strategic Partnerships: Negotiate trade deals that benefit domestic industries without escalating tensions.
  4. Antidumping Measures: Target unfair trade practices more narrowly rather than applying broad tariffs.
Conclusion
Tariffs can provide targeted benefits for struggling industries, but the broader economic impact often includes higher prices, job losses in other sectors, and retaliatory measures. Policymakers must weigh these trade-offs carefully and consider whether other tools might achieve the same goals with fewer downsides.

you did not draft that
can you please supply a source
 
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not if their domestic competition was sourcing from China
going forward their domestic competition will be faced with the same tariffs

i am fundamentally against tariffs so i wont be hypocritical and pretend I am not concerned, Canada has some risks here
China is trumps real target, but we will get roughed up on the ride

i do find it ironic how the loonie left use to demand tariffs and scream about the race to the bottom
now they are freaking about tariffs ... because of who is going to implement them
The tariffs he is proposing will still be cheaper to source from China than domestically.
Then there are retaliatory tariffs which will impact manufacturers.
Tariffs in some strategic industries will help.
But blanket global tariffs will be disastrous.
 

JohnLarue

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The tariffs he is proposing will still be cheaper to source from China than domestically.
you do not know what % the tariffs will be
could be 5% on some product 200% on others
for all you know He may call up the head of the CCP and offer him a chance to make concessions with a secret deal to make the tariffs primarily a PR thing
Leverage and unpredictability are his 'things

Then there are retaliatory tariffs which will impact manufacturers.
Tariffs in some strategic industries will help.
he is expected to undue the domestic regulatory burden - that will save US companies a ton of $ - which can be used to offset some of the domestic supplier costs

But blanket global tariffs will be disastrous.
possibly
that would cause disruption
but he wont creator the US economy out of spite for China
his ego will demand he remains popular in the US

he wont give a rats ass what happens to china's economy but he wont creator the US economy
 
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That Americans generally live in a bubble and get their news from sound bites of the politicians they support isn't a mystery.
So according to you the US media cannot be relied upon.
Exactly, if we want to be informed we have have to consider the nature of the source. We also have to listen to and weigh opposing media viewpoints to be able to form our own opinion.

The US chamber of commerce is biased.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has one of the largest lobbying arms in the country. If you didn't come across their sponsored article that supported your viewpoint, would you or anyone hold doubt that a large lobbying group was biased? It's the nature of the beast.

Every other authoritative source is wrong.
No not necessarily. I would have to consider the information and weigh that against the media outlet's positions or in this case the USCOC's lobbying efforts.

But Trump is correct based on nothing at all.
Now you're trying to make this about Trump. I thought we were discussing U.S. immigration policy. I try to focus on one policy issue at a time.
 
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WyattEarp

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you did not draft that
can you please supply a source
Are you saying we can't cut and paste entire passages and pass them off as our own?
This is social media. You can't require us to have original thoughts.
 

JohnLarue

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Are you saying we can't cut and paste entire passages and pass them off as our own?
This is social media. You can't require us to have original thoughts.
not at all
its a request ( hence the word : please)
i just do not think he wrote that and views on tariffs can vary depending on the source
 

Leimonis

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Are you saying we can't cut and paste entire passages and pass them off as our own?
This is social media. You can't require us to have original thoughts.
That’s why it was in cursive.
 

JohnLarue

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oh boy !
now that is new wrinkle
it is going to be real difficult to poke holes in AI
not to say AI is unfailable, but AI is a dark hole that does not take outlandish political positions , leave corruption evidence, incriminate itself, get drunk or screw the maid and ........... it is more logical than spock

oh no
I am done in by technological advancement,,,
ok you win, well done
 
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JohnLarue

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We had a vaccine in 9 months.
No debate on point 2.
There were no mysterious votes. The election had a higher turn out.
True. And this is the reason. They need to fix this for 2028.
There were no mysterious votes. The election had a higher turn out.
a higher turnout during the pandenic ? -yeah i am skeptical

19 miilion extra votes in 2020 vs 2016 and then in 2024 17 million voters disapear despite population growth

yeah something screwy happened , we will never know exactly now
but that was definately a mysterious anmoly that sticks out like an erection in a girls sporting event

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