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Butler1000

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In other words some of the youth and minority and Muslims are very fucked in the head because they now effectively support the guy who pushed for a ban on Muslims
They ate going on the assumption that banning them is better than killing them.
 

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Do we really know what info and strategy her campaign has? The fine points, I mean.
We're just having a discussion about the public approaches the candidates have.
 

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They get promoted for being warmongers, then get plum positions after as lobbyists and board members in the arms industry.

You really that naive?
Please point out any facts, NOT FICTION, that you have about John Kelly being a lobbyist or sitting on a board for the arms industry. Unless you can, then you are pretty much full of shit, right?



Go ahead, show us, prove you don't just make shit up.
 
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Butler1000

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You should be able to follow the logic here.

The Rogan show wasn't important until the Harris campaign made it important by getting into talks with him. I don't always understand the cultural zeitgeist, but podcasts are currently big and his podcast is the biggest. Rogan now attracts a lot of attention. I don't think Rogan wanted to be in the middle of the political battle this year.

Perhaps you are right about appearing on other shows, but at this point I think she would reaching the same audience repeatedly. At least Rogan's audience would be new to her. I already mentioned his audience probably favors legalized cannabis and is pro-abortion. There are also certainly young black men who listen to Rogan.

Lastly, have you watched his show? He isn't hostile his guests. He uses his long-form format to give guests a podium. He does ask questions, but there not unexpected or adversarial. Brett Baier could be considered far more adversarial than Rogan would ever be.
I disagree. They were plenty of votes to be mined in his audience. Lots of independent, 18-34 men who were voting for RFK, like Tulsi Gabbard, and could be swayed.

Ad with the margins in the swing states, changing 50,000 votes in Michigan or Penn with one podcast is a game changer. Especially this late.
 

Butler1000

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Please point out any facts, NOT FICTION, that you have about John Kelly being a lobbyist or sitting on a board for the arms industry. Unless you can, then you are pretty much full of shit, right?



Go ahead, show us, prove you don't just make shit up.

80%

And your Wiki page lists Acuity international with him as a board member. Look at their link. I win.
 
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I disagree. They were plenty of votes to be mined in his audience. Lots of independent, 18-34 men who were voting for RFK, like Tulsi Gabbard, and could be swayed.

Ad with the margins in the swing states, changing 50,000 votes in Michigan or Penn with one podcast is a game changer. Especially this late.
You and I are in agreement. Not sure why you responded to my post specifically.

If you notice if you say anything that can be construed as even slightly critical of Harris, people feel compelled to immediately defend her or attack Trump. Some go to great lengths to try to take apart or contradict a basic observation. As I said before, with a week to go people are very sensitized.

Suggesting her campaign has not done a great job doesn't mean Trump has executed a great campaign. However, one will win and one will lose. The losing party will go into deep reflection.
 
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They ate going on the assumption that banning them is better than killing them.
You are going on the assumption that their brains actually function
 

Leimonis

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No, they refuse to vote for Harris or Trump.
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Butler1000

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You and I are in agreement. Not sure why you responded to my post specifically.

If you notice if you say anything that can be construed as even slightly critical of Harris, people feel compelled to immediately defend her or attack Trump. Some go to great lengths to try to take apart or contradict a basic observation. As I said before, with a week to go people are very sensitized.

Suggesting her campaign has not done a great job doesn't mean Trump has executed a great campaign. However, one will win and one will lose. The losing party will go into deep reflection.
You are, I think, understating the importance of Podcasts. I think they have a far wider audience, a younger demographic, and allow the opportunity to listen anywhere, anytime. There is also a perception of them being less partisan and more about getting the person to open up rather than canned answers.

This is the first year both candidates really used them, and moving forward I think some of them are going to become must do's. It will be interesting if any studies choose to try to see if they were effective.
 

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Jill Stein is never going to win.
The Palestinian issue is not a big issue for Americans.
So any vote you give to other than Kamala, will help Trump win.
If Trump wins both Palestinians and Muslims are fucked.
It is an Issue for Arab-Americans. They feel they have nothing to lose. Right now the choice is, my family/friends are getting killed, or a travel ban. That's the ACTUAL COMPARISON IN POLICY.

You have other priorities. And vote accordingly. So do they. You have to earn votes, and are not entitled to all of them.
 

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You are, I think, understating the importance of Podcasts. I think they have a far wider audience, a younger demographic, and allow the opportunity to listen anywhere, anytime. There is also a perception of them being less partisan and more about getting the person to open up rather than canned answers.

This is the first year both candidates really used them, and moving forward I think some of them are going to become must do's. It will be interesting if any studies choose to try to see if they were effective.
I don't think I am understating their importance. I listen to a few. I'm not a regular Rogan listener. If Rogan's guest is funny, interesting or I have a curiousity, I might check it out.

You might understand why I wouldn't mention which podcasts I listen to because that always starts off a round of shoot the messenger. One podcast I listen to often is balanced, but as you know if they aren't attacking Trump nonstop some will be upset with the format.
 

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Right now the choice is, my family/friends are getting killed, or a travel ban. That's the ACTUAL COMPARISON IN POLICY.
Their vote for Stein will adversely affect them and their families which is in contradiction to what they want.
Their reading of policy and their decision making is therefore ill informed.
 

Butler1000

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Their vote for Stein will adversely affect them and their families which is in contradiction to what they want.
Their reading of policy and their decision making is therefore ill informed.
In your opinion. In theirs right now family and friends are dead, displaced, maimed, and headed for more. A travel ban is inconvenient. Ten's of billions of their tax dollars to killing their own is a far more immediate and clear threat. Right now they consider this administration to be enabling the war. For a year. A war that could be ended by simply denying arms.

What could POSSIBLY happen vs WHAT IS AND HAS HAPPENED is clear. Add in her embracing the Cheney's that is a dog whistle that says under her it won't stop.
 

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I don't think I am understating their importance. I listen to a few. I'm not a regular Rogan listener. If Rogan's guest is funny, interesting or I have a curiousity, I might check it out.

You might understand why I wouldn't mention which podcasts I listen to because that always starts off a round of shoot the messenger. One podcast I listen to often is balanced, but as you know if they aren't attacking Trump nonstop some will be upset with the format.
Fair enough.
 

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I don't think I am understating their importance. I listen to a few. I'm not a regular Rogan listener. If Rogan's guest is funny, interesting or I have a curiousity, I might check it out.

You might understand why I wouldn't mention which podcasts I listen to because that always starts off a round of shoot the messenger. One podcast I listen to often is balanced, but as you know if they aren't attacking Trump nonstop some will be upset with the format.
Questioning known lies isn't attacking its what reputable journalism is
 

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In your opinion. In theirs right now family and friends are dead, displaced, maimed, and headed for more. A travel ban is inconvenient. Ten's of billions of their tax dollars to killing their own is a far more immediate and clear threat. Right now they consider this administration to be enabling the war. For a year. A war that could be ended by simply denying arms.

What could POSSIBLY happen vs WHAT IS AND HAS HAPPENED is clear. Add in her embracing the Cheney's that is a dog whistle that says under her it won't stop.
All of those things will happen even more under Trump.
More Palestinians will die. More Muslims will suffer.
Added to that, there will be a travel ban
Trump is objectively worse for them just based on policy positions alone.
 
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Joe Rogan Gives His Thoughts on How the Podcast Went With President Trump "He's got this ability to just keep going. This is what's crazy. The podcast was three hours long. The guy didn't pee before the podcast. He didn't pee after the podcast...He didn't drink anything during the podcast. He just sat here and we talked...We did three hours!"
 
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