Jill Stein is never going to win.
The Palestinian issue is not a big issue for Americans.
So any vote you give to other than Kamala, will help Trump win.
If Trump wins both Palestinians and Muslims are fucked.
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The Palestinian issue is not a big issue for Americans.
So any vote you give to other than Kamala, will help Trump win.
If Trump wins both Palestinians and Muslims are fucked.
You are, I think, understating the importance of Podcasts. I think they have a far wider audience, a younger demographic, and allow the opportunity to listen anywhere, anytime. There is also a perception of them being less partisan and more about getting the person to open up rather than canned answers.
This is the first year both candidates really used them, and moving forward I think some of them are going to become must do's. It will be interesting if any studies choose to try to see if they were effective.
It is an Issue for Arab-Americans. They feel they have nothing to lose. Right now the choice is, my family/friends are getting killed, or a travel ban. That's the ACTUAL COMPARISON IN POLICY.
You have other priorities. And vote accordingly. So do they. You have to earn votes, and are not entitled to all of them.
I don't think I am understating their importance. I listen to a few. I'm not a regular Rogan listener. If Rogan's guest is funny, interesting or I have a curiousity, I might check it out.
You might understand why I wouldn't mention which podcasts I listen to because that always starts off a round of shoot the messenger. One podcast I listen to often is balanced, but as you know if they aren't attacking Trump nonstop some will be upset with the format.
Their vote for Stein will adversely affect them and their families which is in contradiction to what they want.
Their reading of policy and their decision making is therefore ill informed.
It was the usual Rogan episode.
He is your friend and agrees with whatever you say and lets you speak.
In your opinion. In theirs right now family and friends are dead, displaced, maimed, and headed for more. A travel ban is inconvenient. Ten's of billions of their tax dollars to killing their own is a far more immediate and clear threat. Right now they consider this administration to be enabling the war. For a year. A war that could be ended by simply denying arms.
What could POSSIBLY happen vs WHAT IS AND HAS HAPPENED is clear. Add in her embracing the Cheney's that is a dog whistle that says under her it won't stop.
Questioning known lies isn't attacking its what reputable journalism is
All of those things will happen even more under Trump.
More Palestinians will die. More Muslims will suffer.
Added to that, there will be a travel ban
Trump is objectively worse for them just based on policy positions alone.
Except no new wars happened under Trump the first time. He is fact negotiated the end of Afghanistan. So from an objective standpoint your premise is false. It has in fact been worse under Biden. All you have to do is add up the dead, maimed and destroyed.
You are not thinking objectively and using empathy to see their view. You are arguing from only your opinion subjectively and mostly from projected opinion and not what has occured.
Please note as well he has not expressed any desire or policy this time to even a ban. I think he is likely to be far more concerned this time with internal American policy and trade policy.
Actions matter. The Biden/Harris administration is funding the war in Gaza, and now has moved troops in. How can it get worse?
There is always a matter of hazard and chance for U.S. Presidents when it comes to foreign affairs. If you tell a partisan that U.S. Presidents have to deal with the hand they are dealt in the state of the globe, you might get a peculiar look of confusion or maybe anger.
Trump had a relatively quiet Iran and a quiet Middle East. Perhaps his approach to Iran and region was partially responsible. More than likely his Administration benefited from some fortuity in the Mideast.
However, your point about no new wars and the Afghanistan withdrawal are correct.
Yes, he certainly had a deft and sophisticated touch. The Muslim Ban was non partisan, sympathetic and very carefully thought out. And then there were the military operations and the assassinations of Mid East figures he disliked.
Definitely a calming influence in the ME.
Quiet Ukraine as well. But yes absolutely the President doesn't decide world events in a bubble.
But my major point was Shaq expects Arab Americans to project what might happen as possibly worse than what is happening. And so my Question is, how can it get much worse from their perspective?
Because The Poo was waiting for him to be re elected and have the full 4 years of Trump sucking his cock and kneeling in front of him before invading Ukraine. And when Trump fumbled and shat himself in the 2020 election, The Poo figured "WTF. I'll invade anyway."
Because the Dems have to walk a tight rope to keep both their moderate centrist pro Israel voters and their far left Frankies in line before the election - and after to some extent.
Whereas Trump will just whoop ass the Muslims like a demented angry old chimpanzee in a rage.
And none of those things about wars and Afghanistan has anything to do with Gaza.
This is not my opinion. It is infact you that is projecting your opinion here.
Muslims are voting for Stein, not Trump. Muslims hate Trump. I am talking about the consequences of doing so.
You talked about policy.
I showed you how purely and objectively based on policy alone, Trump is worse for Muslims here, and for Palestinians over there.
Muslims who will vote Jill Stein, will vote based on an her stated policies which are pro-Palestinian.
Sure, but that will end up with a Trump presidency as a consequence whose stated policies are very anti-Palestinian.
They will end up with a guy who they hate even more than they do Harris.
If they were objective they would consider this and vote Harris.
I also showed you a video where Trump explicitly says that that he will remove all restraints on Netanyahu and that Biden is holding him back.
His words not mine.
So as I said, purely and objectively based on policy positions alone, a Trump/Vance Presidency is worse for Muslims than Harris/Walz.
Gee I don’t know maybe US betraying their ally and letting Palestinians and other Islamist terrorists cleanse and massacre Israelis and massively undermine US presence on the global scene could be a little bit worse?
Lol. So you think a travel ban is worse than funding a war? Wow. You haven't shown anything. At best they would carry the same policy. And those voters who think that are staying home, only voting down ballot, or voting for Stein in protest.
Do you ready think you can shame them into voting for Harris?
