Israel at war

richaceg

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As I've repeatedly said, rich.
Russia's invasion and occupation of Ukraine is as wrong and illegal as Israel's occupation of Palestine and invasion of Lebanon.

As a rump backer, if he wins do you think rump backs Putin or Netanyahu in this war?
Rump will probably withdraw $$$ for both wars...America is hurting...
 

Frankfooter

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Rump will probably withdraw $$$ for both wars...America is hurting...
Rump doesn't care about that.
He just cares about himself and cash to fuel his empire.

He can get that from Putin, though Jared got his from MBS, who is now also aligned with Iran.
Putin has way more power over him than Netanyahu.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Do you think temporary foreign workers and students would fight in the Canadian army to defend Canada?
Do you think Palestinians are justified to fight to defend their country?
2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
 

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2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
Thank you for being one of the few to state that you believe Palestinians have the right to resist the illegal occupation.

There are also 5 million Palestinians refugees waiting for Israel to honour UN resolutions calling for Israel to accept their Right of Return, along with millions of Palestinians living under Israeli rule without citizenship. Should those Palestinians be given the same chance for citizenship?
 
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2 different questions. The 1.5M people of Russian origin (not Russians), are not temporary workers or students. They are citizens of Israel.
Yes, Palestinians have a right to defend their country.
If there was ever a people that deserved a robust and powerful military, it’s the Palestinian people. They have been slaughtered, tortured, degraded and humiliated by Israel for 75 years. Add ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide to the list of horrors visited upon them.
 
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If there was ever a people that deserved a robust and powerful military, it’s the Palestinian people. They have been slaughtered, tortured, degraded and humiliated by Israel for 75 years. Add ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide to the list of horrors visited upon them.
Palestinians could have had all that since 1948 if they were good at politics. Many reasons why that did not happen.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Just to clarify for Geno, is this an unqualified right to do whatever they want whenever they want, or there any limits/restrictions.
Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
 

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Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
a bit of a problem seems to be that many of them think that their territory is the entire state of Israel from the river to the sea
 

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There are also 5 million Palestinians refugees waiting for Israel to honour UN resolutions calling for Israel to accept their Right of Return, along with millions of Palestinians living under Israeli rule without citizenship. Should those Palestinians be given the same chance for citizenship?
Any non-citizen within Israeli rule should have basic civil rights, barring the right to vote and may be a few others. But do those Palestinians want Israeli citizenship or do they want Palestinian citizenship?
 

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Palestinians could have had all that since 1948 if they were good at politics. Many reasons why that did not happen.
Debatable, but also immaterial to the situation today.
Israel could also have heeded their own warnings about not settling for the two decades for the last 5 decades.
Really, the occupying power chooses when to end the occupation unless forced by outside actors or resistance.


 
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