Yes some still really want it. Pretty much with everyone except their husband
Advice from married guys
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Are u in Toronto? And What is Russian missi
Have we met? I think I love you. Why do you have to be in Ottawa?
Totally agree. From my seat in the guys aisle I can remember being frustrated when I was younger that girls my age preferred older guys. In my later 20s I joined Ashley Madison soon after it started and it was like a whole new world opened up. If you could just write well and not be a dick, women of all ages were hungry for that and I often found myself bedding attractive, horny older women and getting a lot of useful experience and knowledge that made me a better lover and then by the time I was in my 30s I had those younger women coming after me looking for that combination of maturity, experience and safety. I had a long affair with one young stunner who would occasionally date guys her own age alongside what we were doing but she would give them up because the sex was so bad whereas I knew exactly how to give her what she didn't even know she wanted until she tried it. I consoled her after one such breakup with her in latex and us in a 69 while I drove a dildo in her ass. Better than a tub of ice cream. I remember when I first had sex with one other woman, in her humvee of all places (yes a hummer in a hummer) she gave me the greatest compliment when she said "Your wife doesn't want more of this?!?!").
When I first started seeing escorts in my early thirties I specifically sought out an older woman after my cougar experiences and not wanting to get burned with a hot but immature girl running a scam or something. Ended up seeing Erica Fox in her fifties and had an incredible year or so seeing her and enjoying not only a fantastic body but a whole sensual experience that usually included a bottle of wine, roleplay, massage, many hot lingerie options, and of course expert sex, all in a comfortable condo by the lake downtown. I get hard just remembering those experiences decades later and anytime I walk past that building.
All that to say, a little patience and willingness to learn will pay off big time. It gets better kids, hang in there. And I will second there is no better blowjob than from a woman you just made climax. Twice is even better if you can manage to hold her down after the first one. Ties or handcuffs are useful at such times.
Lol I can tell you're a smoothy!! You got the gift of the gab. I doubt we've met because we're in different areas unless you've been to Niagara falls? I've worked in Toronto with a reputable agency there but under a different name a few years back so maybe we've met but who knows lol. Sounds to me that u have a good work/play/marriage balance, and you've figured out how to have your fun and keep it on the dl. You have good taste in escorts also. The one you mentioned about saving her customers asses from their wives finding out. That's awesome. Ive had to do that before too, it's awkward but u know right away what's transpiring lol wives are ready to lock and load. I have so many questions pertaining to your experiences! You seems like a really cool, level headed guy who just knows what he wants and is able to find the one who can meet the demands. Like seriously good for you! You're a rarity in this industry!
Flattery will get you everywhere. Russian is essentially titty fucking, which my regular is great at given her bust but also because of the welcoming mouth at the end. Doing that while I engage in a little finger play is a great time.
I am in Toronto and I'm sure we havent met but I loved the way you were describing each side's responsibilities to each other during sex. This can frequently be forgotten by one or both sides after wedding cake is long gone. Indeed I find it so lacking at home that there's little reciprocity for my efforts. This is why with my regular I'm usually very happy to let her lead as it's refreshing to me to experience that. If she asks for requests I usually say "surprise me". I sometimes joke with her that she may think I'm the most unimaginative client she has but not knowing what's going to be done to me or in what order, etc is a huge turn on for me since I initiate and select the menu most of the time. After years of this she knows quite well what I like, and I've made the odd request including bringing her a nurse costume that a few members have thanked me for.
Happy to answer questions, here or by DM. You sound like a really fun woman.
This is all too frequent. I hear guys repeatedly say these things in their marriages. I was married too once, but our sex life never went to the dust bin.we both knew it was important to our marriage we talked about it before marriage and during. I feel bad for the men whose wives have basically tapped out of the sex part with their husbans. Then they wonder if their getting cheated on, well duh. Obviously! Men have needs! And they know this! So what is this about with them then, willful ignorance? Wishful thinking they won't cheat? It does make me wonder what goes through their heads.Why are you starving your best friend of one of the most important parts of the relationship? It's like once women get that ring, the security, they get too comfortable and then the excuses come; I have a headache, I'm on my period, I'm too tired. I don't understand the bait and switch, I just don't. Anyways, apart from that Now I know what Russian is after u explained it lolI I was thinking it was something else when I read your post lol. Sounds like you got your needs met by someone who can satisfy you fully and u can still stay happy in your marriage undetected, so really good for you!
just don't get the feels! I'm sure u won't bc u seem too smart for that.This Industry needs to become legal all the way around. The guys will be better off hobbying then get into a mistress relationship. It's safe, it's more secure, if u find someone who is reputable ect. Mistresses can ruin the marriage like Nicole did in Chris watts' marriage. He even said if he never would have gotten involved with her that his wife and kids would still be alive. So that tells me she was giving a married man an ultimatum. Why would u do that?! He's married with kids! Are u so demented and selfish that u would rather have this man leave his family for you?! She guessed so! And then he felt the pressure from her. Probably a lot of pressure since he went ahead and annihilated his family. Pre planned, thought about it weeks before he actually smothered them all. Like why not just divorce? Do guys feel so smothered that their only out is to commit murder and not divorce? Or he was under a spell. Because she was also an OTO member and was practicing sex magic. Theirs more to this story then we'll ever know but the fact she called her spiritual advisor from the OTO the day of the murders tells me everything I need to know with this woman. She was putting spells on him, seducing, and doing everything she could to lead this married man astray, and it worked..albeit temporarily bc he ended up in jail. Guess she didn't think that whole plan through. Lol Point is, hobbying is a mucho safer bet then finding a mistress. Nothing good happens after midnight and nothing good can come from having a relationship with another woman on the side while being married, wives can sense when their husbands are distancing themselves. They can smell it sense it taste it. Men can too I think. Hobbying u don't get that kind of connection like with a mistress bc theirs no feelings involved (or at least not supposed to because it's inappropriate and crosses the line, professional escorts know this, amateur hobbyists don't)it's strictly a business transaction. When people start getting feelings for escorts that's when I personally have a problem bc the boundaries are being crossed. This happens a lot unfortunately. Some guy can't differentiate between just having a session/business meeting, and being on a date. It's not a date, it might feel like a date with the chit chat ect but it's not. And then some guys wanna talk afterwards and go out for dinner and drinks concerts movies all for free and then get in a relationship and take the girl away from her work and go on unpaid dates with him. Escorts don't want that, they want to work and make money. Then the guy gets offended bc she doesn't want to go out for free with him. She's an escort not on a dating app going on a date, that's the difference between guys like u who get that and understand the business thoroughly. Your handling your business professionally and handling your marriage as a marriage minus the sex bc ur wife chose to tap out of the sex part so you fill that void elsewhere, no big deal, we're all adults and this is why this industry needs to be legalized ALL the way around and not just half. My questions u for u I'll keep for dm. Keep on keeping on the shaggon wagon!
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Legalization is long overdue. Can't believe we went from it being decriminalized for providers by the Supreme Court but bad luck that Harper's Cons were in power at the time and had to respond to the judgment and so chose to criminalize Johns. If the Liberals were in power they almost certainly would have left it open to consenting adults and maybe moved to tax and regulate it. No one is going to risk their election chances touching this again unless the Supreme Court forces them again. Thankfully the cops aren't actually bothering with consenting adults but it's so bizarre that the service is legal to sell but not to buy. Can't think of any other service/product treated that way. I would even make a case that it should be partially covered under provincial health plans. The health and social costs saved from encouraging this "therapy" would easily exceed the expense. Would be far more useful than Ontario's fixation on putting alcohol in every Kwik-e-mart.This is all too frequent. I hear guys repeatedly say these things in their marriages. I was married too once, but our sex life never went to the dust bin.we both knew it was important to our marriage we talked about it before marriage and during. I feel bad for the men whose wives have basically tapped out of the sex part with their husbans. Then they wonder if their getting cheated on, well duh. Obviously! Men have needs! And they know this! So what is this about with them then, willful ignorance? Wishful thinking they won't cheat? It does make me wonder what goes through their heads.Why are you starving your best friend of one of the most important parts of the relationship? It's like once women get that ring, the security, they get too comfortable and then the excuses come; I have a headache, I'm on my period, I'm too tired. I don't understand the bait and switch, I just don't. Anyways, apart from that Now I know what Russian is after u explained it lolI I was thinking it was something else when I read your post lol. Sounds like you got your needs met by someone who can satisfy you fully and u can still stay happy in your marriage undetected, so really good for you!
This Industry needs to become legal all the way around. The guys will be better off hobbying then get into a mistress relationship. It's safe, it's more secure, if u find someone who is reputable ect. Mistresses can ruin the marriage like Nicole did in Chris watts' marriage. He even said if he never would have gotten involved with her that his wife and kids would still be alive. So that tells me she was giving a married man an ultimatum. Why would u do that?! He's married with kids! Are u so demented and selfish that u would rather have this man leave his family for you?! She guessed so! And then he felt the pressure from her. Probably a lot of pressure since he went ahead and annihilated his family. Pre planned, thought about it weeks before he actually smothered them all. Like why not just divorce? Do guys feel so smothered that their only out is to commit murder and not divorce? Or he was under a spell. Because she was also an OTO member and was practicing sex magic. Theirs more to this story then we'll ever know but the fact she called her spiritual advisor from the OTO the day of the murders tells me everything I need to know with this woman. She was putting spells on him, seducing, and doing everything she could to lead this married man astray, and it worked..albeit temporarily bc he ended up in jail. Guess she didn't think that whole plan through. Lol Point is, hobbying is a mucho safer bet then finding a mistress. Nothing good happens after midnight and nothing good can come from having a relationship with another woman on the side while being married, wives can sense when their husbands are distancing themselves. They can smell it sense it taste it. Men can too I think. Hobbying u don't get that kind of connection like with a mistress bc theirs no feelings involved (or at least not supposed to because it's inappropriate and crosses the line, professional escorts know this, amateur hobbyists don't)it's strictly a business transaction. When people start getting feelings for escorts that's when I personally have a problem bc the boundaries are being crossed. This happens a lot unfortunately. Some guy can't differentiate between just having a session/business meeting, and being on a date. It's not a date, it might feel like a date with the chit chat ect but it's not. And then some guys wanna talk afterwards and go out for dinner and drinks concerts movies all for free and then get in a relationship and take the girl away from her work and go on unpaid dates with him. Escorts don't want that, they want to work and make money. Then the guy gets offended bc she doesn't want to go out for free with him. She's an escort not on a dating app going on a date, that's the difference between guys like u who get that and understand the business thoroughly. Your handling your business professionally and handling your marriage as a marriage minus the sex bc ur wife chose to tap out of the sex part so you fill that void elsewhere, no big deal, we're all adults and this is why this industry needs to be legalized ALL the way around and not just half. My questions u for u I'll keep for dm. Keep on keeping on the shaggon wagon!
I understand why men go for mistresses. Did it myself a few times with very high levels of fun and connection. While I've read stories of pairings that ran smoothly for decades, they are the huge exception and usually there will be some drama eventually. If it was between 2 men it could probably stay fun and casual but women are far more likely to want to take it somewhere more serious and react badly if things don't go the way they want. As horrible as some men can be, stats show the greatest likelihood of violence in a relationship is between lesbians. And not in the form of pillow fights.
So I'm all for paid services for these and so many other reasons. While I agree there is a danger for some men to get too close to their providers, I like to think I'd be very cool with going out for drinks or a meal sometime just to be friendly and social. In my and most businesses it is quite normal to go out for business/client development activities, and they can be anywhere between a dull chore to a really fun time if you get along with the people. There are all sorts of people I have to do this with, but I genuinely enjoy it with some. I actually kick myself for missing just such a chance with my regular. She suddenly suggested grabbing a bite somewhere when our one session was over and I'm still disappointed in myself that I had to decline because I had to be somewhere at that time. She might think I'm playing hard to get, or that I don't know what to do when the meal comes after cumming in her mouth instead of before!
I'd like to see Canada adopt the Amsterdam/European view.
Where it's fully legal, licensed and viewed as legitimate job. It's the oldest profession on the planet, it was deemed sacred in ancient Babylon, Egypt, and India. Puritans and other religious zealots criminalized it. I'm all for PP come election season but I'm worried their going to mess with this industry again. Canada is a progressive country and should be as progressive as Europe when it comes to this industry. I thought about going to Europe to work there like a lot of American girls do.hopefully if and when PP gets elected the CPs won't mess with this Industry anymore. It doesn't hurt anyone, if anything it helps saves marriages and relieves a lot of stressed out over worked men.
The mistress thing is never a good idea. For this reason you just stated. I've never been a mistress, though I was involved with a married man that was separated years ago. He couldn't get divorced bc his wife threatened him and their still married til this day yet they never talk and she won't let him see their kid. It's really messed up that situation but she told me she won't divorce him bc she wants to make his life miserable so he can't remarry. She's got something on him bc he's deathly afraid to file himself. It was too bad tho bc he got us matching rings in the beginning he wanted to marry me, he told me about his unfortunate situation and he said it would take time. Fast fwd 8 years later their still not divorceda d he's been through a dozen relationships after me and can't move on bc she won't let him. Really messed up situation he's in. Once the girls get to know he's married they leave bc they don't want to deal with that mess.
Drinks, meals all fine, but in my world it needs to be paid. The minute u start going for meals and dates for free they expect. They expect more free dates, then that line gets crossed, the like word gets dropped, the feelings word gets dropped, and it's like a big uh oh here we go! I'm glad u can get away with that and keep it professional, I don't have the same kind of luck unfortunately lol.
Btw, if ur provider suggested grabbing a bite, maybe she digs u a little more than u think.
U should clarify next time she asks u since you're a married man bc it sounds like ur one of her favorites with all those extra freebies she's throwing at ya! Lol
Pollevre and anything like they do in liberal Europe are like oil and vinegar. Our Liberals are practically conservative compared to over there. No one is going to do anything sensible on prostitution here unless the courts force them to, otherwise it's a vote loser for everyone except for the Cons if they get " tough on crime". The only place for handcuffs with providers is in the hotel room.
I've read a book by a Canadian female historian called Mistresses and it gives quite a few examples like the one you mention where the wife won't allow a divorce so the husband and his mistress are stuck in this relationship gray zone. Occasionally I'll read a story somewhere about a guy who has kept a mistress for decades, or even a therapist has reluctantly advocated an affair because basic needs aren't being met. Situations like this are unfortunately quite common though rarely openly discussed and in those cases legalization would materially help a lot of people. We need to ve more like France where the wife and mistress stand side by side at a former PM's funeral, or even otherwise Conservative Japan where if a politician is outed having a mistress most people shrug as long as he's taking care of his family.
Everyone loves my usual provider in part because of how outgoing and friendly she is. I've read glowing reviews from couples that both fawn over her. I think she's just naturally social and if timing works out she'd be up for the occasional brief socializing with some clients. I agree it shouldn't be a regular thing as it blurs lines a bit, but lots of professions I deal with who bill clients by the hour will still take special clients to sports or concert events, dinners, etc not only for free to the client but on their own dime as part of client development. That's what the lower half seats at Leafs games are for! Clearly that's a stretch for this profession given the smaller scale economics , but if you have regular clients who spend more than the average client and they're not weird or anything, the occasional simple extra like pre or post drinks nearby, etc might go a long way to locking in that client for good or causing them to spend more time and money in future.
I hobby. Pretty regularly. But I absolutely slay my wife in the bedroom. I’m sure there’s a post or two in my history about how I’m just a super horny sex addict. All the time. I’m in my late 30s and I can still masturbate in the morning, hobby for lunch, and fuck my wife in the evening. Sometimes I use viagra with escorts despite the fact that I have no need for it. It’s just a recreational thing really. However, I did take 50mg on Saturday as wifey and I were staying in and we fucked 3 times. She loved every minute of it… I keep her happy at home financially and physically. I let her know she’s beautiful and I fuck her all the time. However. However. However. There are a lot of reasons why I see escorts and I’m hoping to see one today at lunch lol so my advice as a married man who hobbies is to never ever neglect your home or your wife. Ever. Always give her the attention love and respect she deserves especially if she’s a mother to your children. But with that said, if she’s only DTF like 10% of the time then you have to do what you have to do. I could never have an affair. Out of the question. I do pay to fuck crazy hot girls in hotel rooms though. It’s all about balance.
Is the sex you get from a professional SP a lot better than your experience of non SPs? I imagine the wow factor must be there because they are providing a service?
Totally agree. It's hard being married when there's a lack of reciprocity at home but you have to keep at it and treat the time with the escort as the special reward. That in turn will develop your patience with the home situation. There's a French saying - the chains of marriage are heavy, sometimes you need three people to lift them.
In my case it's more fun not primarily because of the novelty or different face/body (though those are a factor) but because it's refreshing to have someone not only reciprocate but to make the effort and have initiative and ideas. At home I could write a script for what will happen and be 95-100% accurate because she doesn't try to initiate or surprise me or blow my mind. A pro will absolutely do that. Its just good busines. Marriage is another example of why monopolies are inefficient. They really should mention this in economics more.
This. It's always the guy's fault and also he's not supportive enough yadda yadda yadda. It's insane how a fun hot young woman can turn into nagging husband condescending person who takes absolutely no responsibility for the fact that it's in fact SHE who changed, while the guy hasn't changed at all.
I’ve never had sex with a civilian that was anywhere near as interesting or satisfying as sex with an SP. I’ve always been a “double-dipper” who chooses to maintain long term relationships but I’m always “cheating” or sleeping with escorts on the side. During Covid I took a considerable break from the hobby. And the main reason is because a good escort/courtesan/service provider is in the business of sex. They fuck for a living. Over time I realized it’s an unfair and unrealistic expectation to compare a girl who has slept with 5-10 guys in a lifetime with a woman who has sex with 5-10 guys a day or whatever. It’s like comparing your pretty good and delicious home culinary skills against a French trained Michelin Star chef
Or a privately owned car against the town bus.
You've had back luck then. While some SPs are amazing at fucking, others just want you out of the door. When you meet the right civilian, the experience can be amazing. She'll want you to fuck her all the time, in all the places - multiple times a day. One time I had an affair with a civilian (she was married, I was not) and before I met her, I was slightly shaking in excitement because my body/cock knew the sex is going to be out of this world.
oh I get that. There may have been some hyperbole in my response because you’re right, there have been a few civilian girls who knew what they were doing. But there was certainly a trend of very beautiful civilian girls who wanted a lot from me sexually but weren’t willing to reciprocate with the same enthusiasm. I’ve had more civilians tell me I can’t eat their ass than courtesans. And typically the escorts I see have very good hygiene! Some very pretty civilian girls don’t lol there are exceptions to every rule.
Just to add to my previous post, even some SPs can really be into you. I went to a spa once and paid for 30m. The girl liked me, we fucked for an hour, she demanded anal etc. and in the end, I tried to tip her and she refused and just wanted me to come back. Later, she created a fake profile and contacted me here, she seemed obsessed. At that point it was getting a little scary.
I will second affair sex being the best sex I've ever had. The sheer thrill of connecting intimately with someone and being hot for each other all the time is like nothing else, even if the pros are more technically skilled and experienced. But that was with only two of a half dozen women I met for that purpose and the clear best was with the single, younger girl who wanted it all the time and absolutely reciprocated energy and openness. But to get there I definitely had some of the worst sex I've had with other women who I can see why their husbands weren't interested much. Very thrilled with the entirety of the experience and wouldn't change a thing if I could, but definitely sticking to paid relationships from here on out. In some ways they are the most honest sexual relationships I've had. There is no ulterior motive on either of our parts and I find that very relaxing and enjoyable.
