Doug Ford is screwing up Ontario
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If contracts were in place that outlined the costs, then it's not "forecasted".
"Forecasted" would be contracts that were left open with zero calculations.
It's fun watching you twist reality. Your DoFo hatred makes you say stupid things.
There were no contracts in place.
It was speculation.
If you want real numbers, try something like this.
DoFo is privatizing health care but the private services cost more.
That means his donors will make more profit but it will cost you more taxes and more ER waits.
This is an unfair comparison.
Hospital overhead, nurses, imaging and diagnostic capital equipment, building maintenance, support staff and many more costs are not included in the hospital fees billed.
Whereas outpatient clinics do include those costs in their fee for service charges.
Nevermind that even the best funded top tier hospitals have already exceeded their physical, structural bricks and mortar capacity to deliver these procedures. The costs to build new wings and reorganize and renovate existing hospitals to increase capacity are astronomical.
Both of these surgeries do not belong in a hospital setting. It's better to free up operating theaters and recovry beds for high risk or urgent procedures that may require the full support of a hospital's resources. Cardiac, cancer, trauma etc. Or teaching, internship, residency and research rich procedures. It is grossly wasteful to tie up the hospital's respources from admin/admitting/prep, nursing, etc etc for a simple cataract or knee tendon repair. Knee replacement? For sure in the hospital! Arthroscopic sx on a torn meniscus? No way does iit need a hospital.
Also, the fee at the private clinics includes follow up. Not so with the hospital.
Its a fair comparison, though its complicated.
That number doesn't include the 'consultation fee' that private clinics add, that put those services out of reach for most people. That doesn't cost the government or taxpayers directly, but it siphons money away from the public system into a second tier for the richer.
It also doesn't factor into cuts into hospital infrastructure, which forces hospitals to cut services, which then lowers revenue.
Operating rooms are going unused because of these cuts while that money gets funnelled into private systems where someone is getting profit from what ends up being fewer services to the public. Wait times are getting higher and ER's are closing, its all part of the same plan. You starve the public hospitals so you can declare they don't work and then declare that your donor's private clinics will fix the system.
Its why there have been protests this year.
RELEASE & REPORT: Robbing the public to build the private: The Ford government’s hospital privatization scheme - Ontario Health Coalition
(February 21, 2024) A new report, Robbing from the public to build the private: The Ford government’s hospital privatization scheme reveals that local
www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca
No contracts? What do you think they cancelled? Culture?
btw why is saving money a bad thing? You think spending more and more is the answer?
Last I checked the only levels of government that have increased taxes are municipal and federal. So no, it won't cost more in taxes as your misinformation campaign suggests.
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EPIC FACE PLANT and 360 DEGREE HAYMAKER.
You should be asking Doug, "why is saving money a bad thing?"
You should be schooling Doug about, "You think spending more and more is the answer?"
It cost them $210 million to cancel contracts.
Total skoob logic that this was a saving.
You probably think the $1 billion spent to put beer in corner stores was savings as well.
so much skoob failure
Ya sure, but you have to wait 6 months for a public hospital…. It’s like a guy selling Cadillacs for 100 bucks but doesn’t have any today!,,,
When he saves money on things you like you cry.
When he spends money on things you don't like you cry.
There's just no pleasing you.
Cancelling contracts that would have cost more if they weren't cancelled.
Liberals signed those contracts...you rage is misplaced.
The $1 billion DoFo spent to get beer in 7/11 is looking more and more corrupt.
DoFo went and talked with Stephen Harper with plans to take over 7/11 before the move.
DoFo went and talked with Stephen Harper with plans to take over 7/11 before the move.
Same way the same conservative insiders were on the boards for the LCBO, Science Centre and Ontario Place.
Well said. I will also add that there's the Sunnybrook Holland Centre on Wellesley and Yonge that's a hip and knee surgery factory. It's not a giant hospital, but they do a lot of specific surgeries. It's a great model, one the Ford governments wants to replicate. It makes perfect sense to have smaller hospitals do specialized procedures, instead of large hospitals that provide every service and treatment. There's no "extra" cost to the patient, it's all covered under OHIP, but it's a much more efficient way of doing things.
Healthcare was not perfect under Wynne and suddenly went to shit under Ford. If you believe that, you're delusional. Things have to be done differently. But many hear the word privatization and they immediately think, people will have to pull out their credit card to get treatment.
I still can't believe people are freaking out that pharmacists will be able to prescribe medication for certain ailments, both taking the load off doctors and making it more convenient for patients. Like the freakin' sky is falling. Crazy!
You really want to go to Shoppers for a medical appointment only to be told you have one of the diseases they are allowed to treat?
ER wait times are outrageous, family doctors are closing shop and private family doctors charging a few hundred per appointment, nurses are leaving the province and country and private clinics cost the government more and don't shorten wait times.
The feds increased health care funding but DoFo cut Ontario spending.
My god, you really do fear any kind of change don't you. Allowing pharmacists to prescribe meds for 13 common ailments is a great idea. In fact, it will take some of the pressure off emergency rooms where many who don't have family doctor go for often simple ailments. My friend is an ER nurse and she says it's amazing how clogged up the ERs are due to people seeking treatment for minor issues, that could be remedied by going to see a pharmacist.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/...d-renewing-prescriptions-for-most-medications
Pharmacists can now offer prescriptions for:
- hay fever (allergic rhinitis)
- oral thrush (candidal stomatitis)
- pink eye (conjunctivitis; bacterial, allergic and viral)
- dermatitis (atopic, eczema, allergic and contact)
- menstrual cramps (dysmenorrhea)
- acid reflux (gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD))
- hemorrhoids
- cold sores (herpes labialis)
- impetigo
- insect bites and hives
- tick bites (post-exposure prophylaxis to prevent Lyme disease)
- sprains and strains (musculoskeletal)
- urinary tract infections (UTIs)
Slightly off topic, but it relates to the jammed ERs. Last year, Canada let in 471,550 landed immigrants, another 766,520 migrant workers and 1,040,985 foreign students. Many of those came to Ontario. With an already overloaded healthcare system and many without a family doctor, where do you think these people go when they need to see a doctor. In case you can't figure it out, I'll tell you. The ER, that's where. And you wonder why there's long wait times. SMH
You think its better that you can line up to see a pharmacist instead of a family doctor or even walkin clinic?
You also don't think those pharmacists won't be pressured to prescribe something off their list rather than what you need?
If you look carefully at who is complaining, you'll find that it's the public sector unions and people who already hate Ford for their own biased reasons.
