Doug Ford is screwing up Ontario

[Skoob]

An article quoting the press release is still just using the press release, skoob.
You need an independent source that looked into the issue to see if there were any savings at all.
Not someone else posting the DoFo presser.

Those contracts were terrible. If DoFo had signed those contracts instead of the Libs you would have had a stroke.
They were all part of the Liberal's failed green energy scheme that cost everyone more.

Thank god they were cancelled by the grownups in the room.

Do the math...


Auditor general report sheds more light on Ontario's soaring electricity costs

• Consumers have paid $9.2 billion more for renewables under the current 20-year contracts than they would have had to under Ontario’s previous program of renewable procurement.

• Ontario’s guaranteed prices in 2014 for wind and solar are approximately double and three and a half times the current average U.S. costs, respectively.

• Using non-hydro renewables to reduce electricity-sector carbon emissions costs approximately $257 million for each megatonne of emissions reduced (Ontario’s estimated 2012 emissions were 167 megatonnes).



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blo...e-light-on-ontarios-soaring-electricity-costs

 

[shack]

It was specifically about a comment about DoFo being the worst premier in Ontario. In terms of public opinion, that would not be the case.

Other than public opinion, "the worst" is very subjective. So consensus based on public opinion, ie polls, would be the measure in that context.

None of which addresses what I said. And I never said that Ford was the worst. I said he was bad for the province. You were the one who felt the need to use superlatives.

 

[Skoob]

OMG!

So DoFo 'forecasts' $700 million in savings from energy not purchased and you say that happened.
Then you post this?

Skoob own goal!

If you bothered to actually do your own research you would find that the figure is based on the commitments the stupid contracts the Liberals signed would have cost the province based on energy we don't need.
Cost avoidance based on power generation through the multi-year contracts.
There's this thing called math you should look into.

 

[Skoob]

None of which addresses what I said. And I never said that Ford was the worst. I said he was bad for the province. You were the one who felt the need to use superlatives.

I never said you said Ford was the worst. I'm saying that "best" or "worse" are subjective terms based on opinion. And if more people believe someone was the worst, then that would be the measure in terms of opinion.

Saying Ford is "bad" for the province is also subjective and a very broad statement. That would imply that someone else was good for the province as to have something to compare with.

So you believe he is bad for the province and I believe he is good for the province. And?

 

[shack]

Saying Ford is "bad" for the province is also subjective and a very broad statement.

Of course it's subjective but it's no different than saying he's a good premier. No different than saying Wynne was worse.

That would imply that someone else was good for the province as to have something to compare with.

Actually, it most definitely does not. 1)I made no comparison, implied or otherwise. 2)It's possible that I feel that everyone is bad.

Poor logic.

 

[Skoob]

Of course it's subjective but it's no different than saying he's a good premier. No different than saying Wynne was worse.


Actually, it most definitely does not. 1)I made no comparison, implied or otherwise. 2)It's possible that I feel that everyone is bad.

Poor logic.

Are you saying there is no pleasing you and if there is, no one has been able to meet your expectations?

That's your opinion.

My opinion is that based on various polls that show that Wynne is usually identified as the worst premier in Ontario history, I'll go with that.

 

[Frankfooter]

Those contracts were terrible. If DoFo had signed those contracts instead of the Libs you would have had a stroke.
They were all part of the Liberal's failed green energy scheme that cost everyone more.

Thank god they were cancelled by the grownups in the room.

Do the math...


Auditor general report sheds more light on Ontario's soaring electricity costs

• Consumers have paid $9.2 billion more for renewables under the current 20-year contracts than they would have had to under Ontario’s previous program of renewable procurement.

• Ontario’s guaranteed prices in 2014 for wind and solar are approximately double and three and a half times the current average U.S. costs, respectively.

• Using non-hydro renewables to reduce electricity-sector carbon emissions costs approximately $257 million for each megatonne of emissions reduced (Ontario’s estimated 2012 emissions were 167 megatonnes).



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blo...e-light-on-ontarios-soaring-electricity-costs

A 9 year old report by the Fraser Institute?
That's IDU, doesn''t count as a legit source.

 

[Frankfooter]

If you bothered to actually do your own research you would find that the figure is based on the commitments the stupid contracts the Liberals signed would have cost the province based on energy we don't need.
Cost avoidance based on power generation through the multi-year contracts.
There's this thing called math you should look into.

You've posted a DoFo press release and the media posting that press release and its projection.
That's not research.

 

[bver_hunter]

Even this right wing think tank says this about Doug Ford:

Ford government chooses more spending over tax reductions and debt relief

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/ford-government-chooses-more-spending-over-tax-reductions-and-debt-relief

Wonder where all those taxpayers dollars are being funnelled. We have a terrible Healthcare system under Ford. The Education infrastructure is getting worse and worse.
Guess his only achievement is the $1 beer. Goodness knows who buys it!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Another condemnation of the Ford Government's policies:

Ford to blame for Ontario’s surging debt

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/ford-to-blame-for-ontario%E2%80%99s-surging-debt

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827304149655998583

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827085519345610952

 

[shack]

Are you saying there is no pleasing you and if there is, no one has been able to meet your expectations?

No. It's a hypothetical example to prove that your supposition is wrong when you say that if I say that Ford is bad, automatically implies that someone else is good. There is no such implication. Ford is bad for Ontario means that Ford is bad for Ontario. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Frankfooter]

DoFo paid Staples $1.7 million for this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827338433917792402

 

[TomFord1980]

DoFo is screwing up every file he's responsible for in the same way, starving funding to justify privatization.

Under DoFo Ontario has the lowest per capita health care funding and now he's trying to offload services to Shoppers.
Under DoFo Ontario now has 234,000 homeless, with the lowest housing starts combined with service cuts and cuts to welfare and disability funding.
DoFo is refusing to take federal child care money, sitting on child care builds and is now raising rent on child care.
DoFo is letting Metrolinx charge $150 million for 2km of railpath construction, while the CEO gets bonuses and all builds are delayed and as a result the TTC now has a dozen or so slow zones due to lack of maintenance funding.
DoFo is still giving away public land to a failed foreign spa company at Ontario Place, shut down the Science Centre and wasting millions for parking.
DoFo is giving away the $2.5 billion the LCBO makes to the owners of 7Eleven, who he met in Texas and spending a billion to put beer in corner shops.

Meanwhile ER's are closing and wait times are going up, family doctors are leaving Ontario and nurses with them.
All so he can privatize and make his donors rich.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823465753561215092

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823731051455463772

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823518124068479267

Out of control immigration is destroying Canada.

 

[Frankfooter]

Out of control immigration is destroying Canada.

But its been way cut down already.
International students have been massively cut and the blowback against Temporary Foreign Workers is happening.

But DoFo still has to figure out how to fix the 234,000 homeless in Ontario.
200,000 added under his watch.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824200438205268393

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782559291448218024

 

[Skoob]

A 9 year old report by the Fraser Institute?
That's IDU, doesn''t count as a legit source.

It was in context to the time the contracts were in place to support my point about how bad those contracts were.
I've provided info you have provided nothing.

All you can do it spew biased misinformation and ask questions without ever providing facts or answers. The death-knell of you losing another argument.

 

[Skoob]

You've posted a DoFo press release and the media posting that press release and its projection.
That's not research.

And you posted.....? ah right...nothing.

 

[Skoob]

No. It's a hypothetical example to prove that your supposition is wrong when you say that if I say that Ford is bad, automatically implies that someone else is good. There is no such implication. Ford is bad for Ontario means that Ford is bad for Ontario. Nothing more and nothing less.

Ok fair enough.
I say Ford is great for Ontario.
Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Frankfooter]

It was in context to the time the contracts were in place to support my point about how bad those contracts were.
I've provided info you have provided nothing.

All you can do it spew biased misinformation and ask questions without ever providing facts or answers. The death-knell of you losing another argument.

Those weren't the contracts that DoFo cancelled, skoob.
They were out of context.

Another skoobid failure.

And you posted.....? ah right...nothing.

I posted the real costs, $210 million, that DoFo had to pay out for the cancelling of those contracts.
That was real money, Ontario money, that DoFo wasted.

DoFo wastes money everywhere, beer stores, LCBO, education.
Health care, for instance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827547423268565043

 

[Skoob]

Those weren't the contracts that DoFo cancelled, skoob.
They were out of context.

Another skoobid failure.



I posted the real costs, $210 million, that DoFo had to pay out for the cancelling of those contracts.
That was real money, Ontario money, that DoFo wasted.

DoFo wastes money everywhere, beer stores, LCBO, education.
Health care, for instance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827547423268565043

You posted what the media already said and you can't wrap your head around the fact that it would have cost the province significantly more in the long run if those contracts were not cancelled.

Yet when the feds waste $60 million instead of $80k on a useless app you conveniently look the other way. Do you know they spent $4 million on printing the budget? Your rage is misplaced.

Nice chart...who was in power in Ontario for the bulk of that timeline?