Doug Ford is screwing up Ontario

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DoFo is screwing up every file he's responsible for in the same way, starving funding to justify privatization.

Under DoFo Ontario has the lowest per capita health care funding and now he's trying to offload services to Shoppers.
Under DoFo Ontario now has 234,000 homeless, with the lowest housing starts combined with service cuts and cuts to welfare and disability funding.
DoFo is refusing to take federal child care money, sitting on child care builds and is now raising rent on child care.
DoFo is letting Metrolinx charge $150 million for 2km of railpath construction, while the CEO gets bonuses and all builds are delayed and as a result the TTC now has a dozen or so slow zones due to lack of maintenance funding.
DoFo is still giving away public land to a failed foreign spa company at Ontario Place, shut down the Science Centre and wasting millions for parking.
DoFo is giving away the $2.5 billion the LCBO makes to the owners of 7Eleven, who he met in Texas and spending a billion to put beer in corner shops.

Meanwhile ER's are closing and wait times are going up, family doctors are leaving Ontario and nurses with them.
All so he can privatize and make his donors rich.



Out of control immigration is destroying Canada.
 

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A 9 year old report by the Fraser Institute?
That's IDU, doesn''t count as a legit source.
It was in context to the time the contracts were in place to support my point about how bad those contracts were.
I've provided info you have provided nothing.

All you can do it spew biased misinformation and ask questions without ever providing facts or answers. The death-knell of you losing another argument.
 

Skoob

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No. It's a hypothetical example to prove that your supposition is wrong when you say that if I say that Ford is bad, automatically implies that someone else is good. There is no such implication. Ford is bad for Ontario means that Ford is bad for Ontario. Nothing more and nothing less.
Ok fair enough.
I say Ford is great for Ontario.
Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Frankfooter

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It was in context to the time the contracts were in place to support my point about how bad those contracts were.
I've provided info you have provided nothing.

All you can do it spew biased misinformation and ask questions without ever providing facts or answers. The death-knell of you losing another argument.
Those weren't the contracts that DoFo cancelled, skoob.
They were out of context.

Another skoobid failure.

And you posted.....? ah right...nothing.
I posted the real costs, $210 million, that DoFo had to pay out for the cancelling of those contracts.
That was real money, Ontario money, that DoFo wasted.

DoFo wastes money everywhere, beer stores, LCBO, education.
Health care, for instance.

 
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Skoob

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Those weren't the contracts that DoFo cancelled, skoob.
They were out of context.

Another skoobid failure.



I posted the real costs, $210 million, that DoFo had to pay out for the cancelling of those contracts.
That was real money, Ontario money, that DoFo wasted.

DoFo wastes money everywhere, beer stores, LCBO, education.
Health care, for instance.

You posted what the media already said and you can't wrap your head around the fact that it would have cost the province significantly more in the long run if those contracts were not cancelled.

Yet when the feds waste $60 million instead of $80k on a useless app you conveniently look the other way. Do you know they spent $4 million on printing the budget? Your rage is misplaced.

Nice chart...who was in power in Ontario for the bulk of that timeline?
 
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Frankfooter

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You posted what the media already said and you can't wrap your head around the fact that it would have cost the province significantly more in the long run if those contracts were not cancelled.

Yet when the feds waste $60 million instead of $80k on a useless app you conveniently look the other way. Do you know they spent $4 million on printing the budget? Your rage is misplaced.

Nice chart...who was in power in Ontario for the bulk of that timeline?
Once again, listen to your own words.
Another skoob fail.

"forecasted" does not mean it has actually happened. You are basing your view on speculation.
 

Skoob

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Once again, listen to your own words.
Another skoob fail.
If contracts were in place that outlined the costs, then it's not "forecasted".
"Forecasted" would be contracts that were left open with zero calculations.

It's fun watching you twist reality. Your DoFo hatred makes you say stupid things.
 
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If contracts were in place that outlined the costs, then it's not "forecasted".
"Forecasted" would be contracts that were left open with zero calculations.

It's fun watching you twist reality. Your DoFo hatred makes you say stupid things.
There were no contracts in place.
It was speculation.

If you want real numbers, try something like this.
DoFo is privatizing health care but the private services cost more.
That means his donors will make more profit but it will cost you more taxes and more ER waits.

 
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There were no contracts in place.
It was speculation.

If you want real numbers, try something like this.
DoFo is privatizing health care but the private services cost more.
That means his donors will make more profit but it will cost you more taxes and more ER waits.

This is an unfair comparison.

Hospital overhead, nurses, imaging and diagnostic capital equipment, building maintenance, support staff and many more costs are not included in the hospital fees billed.

Whereas outpatient clinics do include those costs in their fee for service charges.

Nevermind that even the best funded top tier hospitals have already exceeded their physical, structural bricks and mortar capacity to deliver these procedures. The costs to build new wings and reorganize and renovate existing hospitals to increase capacity are astronomical.

Both of these surgeries do not belong in a hospital setting. It's better to free up operating theaters and recovry beds for high risk or urgent procedures that may require the full support of a hospital's resources. Cardiac, cancer, trauma etc. Or teaching, internship, residency and research rich procedures. It is grossly wasteful to tie up the hospital's respources from admin/admitting/prep, nursing, etc etc for a simple cataract or knee tendon repair. Knee replacement? For sure in the hospital! Arthroscopic sx on a torn meniscus? No way does iit need a hospital.

Also, the fee at the private clinics includes follow up. Not so with the hospital.
 
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Frankfooter

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This is an unfair comparison.

Hospital overhead, nurses, imaging and diagnostic capital equipment, building maintenance, support staff and many more costs are not included in the hospital fees billed.

Whereas outpatient clinics do include those costs in their fee for service charges.

Nevermind that even the best funded top tier hospitals have already exceeded their physical, structural bricks and mortar capacity to deliver these procedures. The costs to build new wings and reorganize and renovate existing hospitals to increase capacity are astronomical.

Both of these surgeries do not belong in a hospital setting. It's better to free up operating theaters and recovry beds for high risk or urgent procedures that may require the full support of a hospital's resources. Cardiac, cancer, trauma etc. Or teaching, internship, residency and research rich procedures. It is grossly wasteful to tie up the hospital's respources from admin/admitting/prep, nursing, etc etc for a simple cataract or knee tendon repair. Knee replacement? For sure in the hospital! Arthroscopic sx on a torn meniscus? No way does iit need a hospital.

Also, the fee at the private clinics includes follow up. Not so with the hospital.
Its a fair comparison, though its complicated.

That number doesn't include the 'consultation fee' that private clinics add, that put those services out of reach for most people. That doesn't cost the government or taxpayers directly, but it siphons money away from the public system into a second tier for the richer.

It also doesn't factor into cuts into hospital infrastructure, which forces hospitals to cut services, which then lowers revenue.

Operating rooms are going unused because of these cuts while that money gets funnelled into private systems where someone is getting profit from what ends up being fewer services to the public. Wait times are getting higher and ER's are closing, its all part of the same plan. You starve the public hospitals so you can declare they don't work and then declare that your donor's private clinics will fix the system.

Its why there have been protests this year.

 

Skoob

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There were no contracts in place.
It was speculation.

If you want real numbers, try something like this.
DoFo is privatizing health care but the private services cost more.
That means his donors will make more profit but it will cost you more taxes and more ER waits.

No contracts? What do you think they cancelled? Culture?

btw why is saving money a bad thing? You think spending more and more is the answer?

Last I checked the only levels of government that have increased taxes are municipal and federal. So no, it won't cost more in taxes as your misinformation campaign suggests.
 
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btw why is saving money a bad thing? You think spending more and more is the answer?
^^^^^^^^

EPIC FACE PLANT and 360 DEGREE HAYMAKER.

You should be asking Doug, "why is saving money a bad thing?"

You should be schooling Doug about, "You think spending more and more is the answer?"
 

Frankfooter

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No contracts? What do you think they cancelled? Culture?

btw why is saving money a bad thing? You think spending more and more is the answer?

Last I checked the only levels of government that have increased taxes are municipal and federal. So no, it won't cost more in taxes as your misinformation campaign suggests.
It cost them $210 million to cancel contracts.
Total skoob logic that this was a saving.

You probably think the $1 billion spent to put beer in corner stores was savings as well.

so much skoob failure
 

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There were no contracts in place.
It was speculation.

If you want real numbers, try something like this.
DoFo is privatizing health care but the private services cost more.
That means his donors will make more profit but it will cost you more taxes and more ER waits.

Ya sure, but you have to wait 6 months for a public hospital…. It’s like a guy selling Cadillacs for 100 bucks but doesn’t have any today!,,,
 

Skoob

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^^^^^^^^

EPIC FACE PLANT and 360 DEGREE HAYMAKER.

You should be asking Doug, "why is saving money a bad thing?"

You should be schooling Doug about, "You think spending more and more is the answer?"
When he saves money on things you like you cry.
When he spends money on things you don't like you cry.

There's just no pleasing you.
 

Skoob

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It cost them $210 million to cancel contracts.
Total skoob logic that this was a saving.

You probably think the $1 billion spent to put beer in corner stores was savings as well.

so much skoob failure
Cancelling contracts that would have cost more if they weren't cancelled.
Liberals signed those contracts...you rage is misplaced.
 
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