Will Biden step down?

[Skoob]

As someone who studies the media, and has worked in the media in both the US and Canada, I can tell you this is factually incorrect. The vast majority of the media is not left at all, despite the lies of the right-wing media echo chamber. They are centrist. There are exceptions, obviously, but most legit media outlets are in the middle. They've actually been pulled or pushed to the right by the incessant complaints they are too liberal. For example, they start to cover some fuss the right amplifies, even when there is little merit.

And no, I'm not blaming it all on Fox. As mentioned, there were racial undertones in the creation of the Tea Party, which evolved into MAGA, and they added more bigotry. And, if you don't see this, or understand it....I'm not sure what more I need to tell you. These groups say basically the same thing: They hate people who are not white, christian and straight. I would argue they don't really like women very much, because they are looking for ways to remove their ownership of their bodies (through banning abortion), and seem intent on making it harder to get divorces. And of course, it looks like they want to make contraception harder to get.

There are also evangelicals and christian nationalists, who want to feel superior to other religions, and support Trump because the think he'll make it happen....Despite the fact that he's broken nearly all of the ten commandments.

And, I think we can safely say there was a part of America who wanted a change from the Obama years....where a black man was in charge. So, they literally voted for someone who was almost an exact opposite. Obama was well spoken and thoughtful, Trump makes slurs and catchy nicknames and says outrageous stuff on a whim. Obama has a stable family, Trump is twice divorced with kids from three different women, all of whom he cheated on. That list can go on and on to the break of dawn...

So, no, it wasn't just Fox, and it wasn't just because he ran against Hillary Clinton (with all her baggage...and the fact that she's female).




It's funny that you seem to imply that Trump delivered. As mentioned, while he did get some stuff done, many of his policies and tax cuts hurt the middle class. I mean, imposing tarrifs doesn't hurt China, it hurts consumers. And his tax break actually slightly increased taxes on middle and lower class, while giving the rich a HUGE break (and jacked up the deficit).

I don't necessarily think you're wrong voters wanting change, but we are living in a time of massive polarization. I think many in the MAGA movement are in a cult. They act and talk like it. The Dems don't have a cult of personality around Biden (or any leader). It is a very strange time. MAGA people say they would vote for Trump regardless of what he did. Even credible allegations of sexual assault are not a bridge too far.

I provided a media outlet comparison in another thread that would appear to contradict your view on left/right media bias.
Why is it that whenever the discussion about liberals and conservatives comes up, the left first tries to establish that the right is more racist as a basis for the discussion?
Why does the left try and create the perception that if you are conservative, you're a religious fanatic that hates all other religions?

I would say that's more successful brainwashing and marketing on behalf of the left.

Obama spoke nicely...but he holds the distinction of America's most war-time president being at war for all 8 years of his presidency!
Clinton was getting blow jobs from an intern and was impeached. He was a good speaker as well.

Both the above did that while in office.

Everything you claimed about Trump's personal life happened years before he became president. And it's his personal life. Would you want your co-workers judging your work based on your personal life?

 

[Skoob]

Hmmm...So, just because Trump is being called to account for his shitty and illegal behaviour, that's lawfare and not law enforcement? I remember the days when the GOP was the party of law and order, or at least they draped themselves in that flag. Today, they don't care what evidence is piled up against Trump. There is excuses of crooked judges or over zealous prosecutors. I mean, the documents case is one. You can't tell me he didn't try to hide the files. Which is obstruction. And, of course Trump cry that Biden and Pence did it....but no, they didn't. When they found stuff they were not meant to keep, they informed the authorities, who took it away.

And, if you really want to know what lawfare is, look at Hillary Clinton and Benghazi. There were 10! And the GOP-led house held six of them. Even Kevin McCarthy admitted they only did it to smear her, or hurt her politically.

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So, please, stop crying that the Dems are using the laws to hurt Trump. There is evidence that he broke MANY laws throughout his life, and during his presidency. And, if the US Supreme Court wasn't so fucked up (and I know you'll disagree), he wouldn't have a chance to claim immunity.

And, speaking of the Supreme Court, for a group of conservatives who say they are "originalists" in interpreting the constitution when it comes to, say guns, sure as fuck acted like activist judges to come up with that little nugget that really only helps Trump...

You claimed that Trump stole money from a children's hospital charity...I've hopefully convinced that it was not the case.

Do you see how cognitive bias can blur someone's rational?

That is the point I've been making. You appear to be well versed in political history and media...yet you were convinced about something that didn't actually happen as described.
Now multiply that over and over again.

 

[Skoob]

Is that what happened?
Which case was this?

It's being discussed in this thread...review the history.

 

[K Douglas]

As someone who studies the media, and has worked in the media in both the US and Canada, I can tell you this is factually incorrect. The vast majority of the media is not left at all, despite the lies of the right-wing media echo chamber. They are centrist. There are exceptions, obviously, but most legit media outlets are in the middle. They've actually been pulled or pushed to the right by the incessant complaints they are too liberal. For example, they start to cover some fuss the right amplifies, even when there is little merit.

And no, I'm not blaming it all on Fox. As mentioned, there were racial undertones in the creation of the Tea Party, which evolved into MAGA, and they added more bigotry. And, if you don't see this, or understand it....I'm not sure what more I need to tell you. These groups say basically the same thing: They hate people who are not white, christian and straight. I would argue they don't really like women very much, because they are looking for ways to remove their ownership of their bodies (through banning abortion), and seem intent on making it harder to get divorces. And of course, it looks like they want to make contraception harder to get.

There are also evangelicals and christian nationalists, who want to feel superior to other religions, and support Trump because the think he'll make it happen....Despite the fact that he's broken nearly all of the ten commandments.

And, I think we can safely say there was a part of America who wanted a change from the Obama years....where a black man was in charge. So, they literally voted for someone who was almost an exact opposite. Obama was well spoken and thoughtful, Trump makes slurs and catchy nicknames and says outrageous stuff on a whim. Obama has a stable family, Trump is twice divorced with kids from three different women, all of whom he cheated on. That list can go on and on to the break of dawn...

So, no, it wasn't just Fox, and it wasn't just because he ran against Hillary Clinton (with all her baggage...and the fact that she's female).




It's funny that you seem to imply that Trump delivered. As mentioned, while he did get some stuff done, many of his policies and tax cuts hurt the middle class. I mean, imposing tarrifs doesn't hurt China, it hurts consumers. And his tax break actually slightly increased taxes on middle and lower class, while giving the rich a HUGE break (and jacked up the deficit).

I don't necessarily think you're wrong voters wanting change, but we are living in a time of massive polarization. I think many in the MAGA movement are in a cult. They act and talk like it. The Dems don't have a cult of personality around Biden (or any leader). It is a very strange time. MAGA people say they would vote for Trump regardless of what he did. Even credible allegations of sexual assault are not a bridge too far.

The corporate mainstream media has proven itself to be anything but centrist. Hell half the media have close ties to the Democratic Party. And that party hasn't been centrist since the days of Bill Clinton.

 

[Frankfooter]

Just another TDS post from you and more misinformation.

I'll give that 4/10 for entertainment value...you've done better.

Excellent.
I'm aiming for a 0/10 for entertaining you, skoob.
I'll keep at it then.

Each of his crimes are totally inept, skoob.
Georgia? Its like a really bad 80's mob movie 'I just need 11 thousand votes to get counted' or whatever he said.
As if using mob language but still having it recorded on a phone call would keep him in the clear.

He's such a shitty crook.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811911932540043332

 

[Frankfooter]

You claimed that Trump stole money from a children's hospital charity...I've hopefully convinced that it was not the case.

You are a particularly orange faced and shitty ass kisser, skoob.
There is zero chance that you're going to convince anyone but yourself since there was a trial, a court decision, a fine and an order to never run a charity ever, ever again.

If rump is ordered to never run a business in NY you'll be here the next day trying to convince us that it didn't happen.
How shitty of a crook do you have to be to steal from your own charity in such an obvious way that you get caught?
You think he was ordered to pay $2 million as a reward for his good work?

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation

A judge in New York ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation.

apnews.com

 

[Skoob]

You are a particularly orange faced and shitty ass kisser, skoob.
There is zero chance that you're going to convince anyone but yourself since there was a trial, a court decision, a fine and an order to never run a charity ever, ever again.

If rump is ordered to never run a business in NY you'll be here the next day trying to convince us that it didn't happen.
How shitty of a crook do you have to be to steal from your own charity in such an obvious way that you get caught?
You think he was ordered to pay $2 million as a reward for his good work?

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation

A judge in New York ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation.

apnews.com

No money was stolen from a children's hospital as claimed by the OP That is a fact.

You can distract all you want...but you know I'm right.

 

[Skoob]

Excellent.
I'm aiming for a 0/10 for entertaining you, skoob.
I'll keep at it then.

Each of his crimes are totally inept, skoob.
Georgia? Its like a really bad 80's mob movie 'I just need 11 thousand votes to get counted' or whatever he said.
As if using mob language but still having it recorded on a phone call would keep him in the clear.

He's such a shitty crook.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811911932540043332

You score just went to 5/10!

 

[Frankfooter]

No money was stolen from a children's hospital as claimed by the OP That is a fact.

You can distract all you want...but you know I'm right.

rump stole money from the rump foundation, not a a kid's hospital.
You are very much wrong.

rump is a shitty crook but you're a very bad minion.

corrected post

 

[Valcazar]

It's being discussed in this thread...review the history.

I haven't seen either one of you actually link to anything about the case and don't feel like searching the whole thread.
I've seen you both make a lot of assertions.

ETA - I see Frank has linked to a different case than the cancer charity one.

 

[Valcazar]

You are a particularly orange faced and shitty ass kisser, skoob.
There is zero chance that you're going to convince anyone but yourself since there was a trial, a court decision, a fine and an order to never run a charity ever, ever again.

That didn't happen, though.
Trump's kids had to have mandatory training and for Trump himself, any charity in New York State for which Trump serves as a director must have a majority of independent directors (meaning no one in his inner-circle). Also, it must engage counsel with expertise in New York not-for-profit law. The charity will also have to use the services of an accounting firm to monitor and audit the organization’s grants and expenses.

If Trump starts a new charity, that charity must also comply with those requirements and report to the New York Attorney General for five years

-- Yes, Trump has all kinds of restrictions on him due to his bullshit with his previous charity, but he isn't banned from running a charity ever, ever, again.

You think he was ordered to pay $2 million as a reward for his good work?

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation

A judge in New York ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation.

apnews.com

I will point out that what you are linking to has nothing to do with stealing money from children's cancer charities.

 

[Frankfooter]

That didn't happen, though.
Trump's kids had to have mandatory training and for Trump himself, any charity in New York State for which Trump serves as a director must have a majority of independent directors (meaning no one in his inner-circle). Also, it must engage counsel with expertise in New York not-for-profit law. The charity will also have to use the services of an accounting firm to monitor and audit the organization’s grants and expenses.

If Trump starts a new charity, that charity must also comply with those requirements and report to the New York Attorney General for five years

-- Yes, Trump has all kinds of restrictions on him due to his bullshit with his previous charity, but he isn't banned from running a charity ever, ever, again.



I will point out that what you are linking to has nothing to do with stealing money from children's cancer charities.

True, it was Eric who stole money from the cancer charity.

Did Eric Trump steal money from cancer-hit children? Truth behind allegations as he claims 'MAGA is going nowhere'

In 2017, Eric Trump was accused of funneling money raised for children with cancer and using it to 'enrich' his businesses and turns out these accusations are resurfacing

meaww.com

rumps foundation, was the one he got in trouble with.

President Pays Gigantic Fine for Stealing From Charity

Donald Trump is in charge of enforcing the nation's laws, but he doesn't follow them. What a delicious twist of constitutional irony!

slate.com

Its hard to keep track of all the shitty crimes rump and his family have committed.
You really can't be very bright if you think you can get away with using charity money to settle your own legal bills.

 

[silentkisser]

I provided a media outlet comparison in another thread that would appear to contradict your view on left/right media bias.
Why is it that whenever the discussion about liberals and conservatives comes up, the left first tries to establish that the right is more racist as a basis for the discussion?
Why does the left try and create the perception that if you are conservative, you're a religious fanatic that hates all other religions?

I would say that's more successful brainwashing and marketing on behalf of the left.

Obama spoke nicely...but he holds the distinction of America's most war-time president being at war for all 8 years of his presidency!
Clinton was getting blow jobs from an intern and was impeached. He was a good speaker as well.

Both the above did that while in office.

Everything you claimed about Trump's personal life happened years before he became president. And it's his personal life. Would you want your co-workers judging your work based on your personal life?

First, it is easy to argue that racism is a part of this, because, well, the HUGE explosion in white supremacy that vocally supports the right, MAGA, the GOP and Trump. They might have always been there (well, at least since the GOP and Dems switched positions in the support of civil rights in the 50s, when so-called "dixie-crats" in the south joined the GOP in huge numbers...). Remember, the Party of Lincoln fought and fought hard against segregation and the repeal of Jim Crow laws and the signing of the Civil Rights act.

As for the religious aspect, how many prominent right-wingers are evangelical Christians, and how many are calling the US a Christian nation. How many are trying to push their religious morals in the laws and repeal civil rights? Abortion and gay marriage are under fire, and it comes from these people. So....when you have leadership and a vocal minority that wants to turn the country into a fundamentalist Christian nation....that's probably a cause for concern.

Clinton should have been impeached. But, let's also call a spade a spade, that investigation should never have happened in the first place. Starr, a GOP insider, went well beyond his mandate to put the screws to Clinton.

Finally, Obama inherited a war from GWB. Wars like that are easy to get into, much harder to pull out of. AND.....do you recall the GOP calling on him to "bring the troops home?" I don't, because they didn't. And while Trump might have pulled the plug, he fucked Biden because his negotiations with the Taliban imposed really tight deadlines for the US to pull out. Which led to that chaos.

 

[Skoob]

First, it is easy to argue that racism is a part of this, because, well, the HUGE explosion in white supremacy that vocally supports the right, MAGA, the GOP and Trump. They might have always been there (well, at least since the GOP and Dems switched positions in the support of civil rights in the 50s, when so-called "dixie-crats" in the south joined the GOP in huge numbers...). Remember, the Party of Lincoln fought and fought hard against segregation and the repeal of Jim Crow laws and the signing of the Civil Rights act.

As for the religious aspect, how many prominent right-wingers are evangelical Christians, and how many are calling the US a Christian nation. How many are trying to push their religious morals in the laws and repeal civil rights? Abortion and gay marriage are under fire, and it comes from these people. So....when you have leadership and a vocal minority that wants to turn the country into a fundamentalist Christian nation....that's probably a cause for concern.

Clinton should have been impeached. But, let's also call a spade a spade, that investigation should never have happened in the first place. Starr, a GOP insider, went well beyond his mandate to put the screws to Clinton.

Finally, Obama inherited a war from GWB. Wars like that are easy to get into, much harder to pull out of. AND.....do you recall the GOP calling on him to "bring the troops home?" I don't, because they didn't. And while Trump might have pulled the plug, he fucked Biden because his negotiations with the Taliban imposed really tight deadlines for the US to pull out. Which led to that chaos.

That's a myth pushed by the left to portray all conservatives as white supremacists. I've always said the left is better at that type of marketing than the right. It's all part of the doom/gloom tactics the left is notorious for.

How many Dem insiders have put the screws to Trump? Where do you think all the investigations were spawned from?

Obama was at war for all 8 years of his presidency. Multiple wars. 8 years!

 

[silentkisser]

You claimed that Trump stole money from a children's hospital charity...I've hopefully convinced that it was not the case.

Do you see how cognitive bias can blur someone's rational?

That is the point I've been making. You appear to be well versed in political history and media...yet you were convinced about something that didn't actually happen as described.
Now multiply that over and over again.

Again, where did I saw that he stole money from a children's hospital charity? What I will point out was the Trump Foundation misused charitable funds for other purposes, was forced to repay $2 million and then shut down the foundation. That happened. That is real. So, pretending that it isn't true doesn't really matter.

 

[silentkisser]

That's a myth pushed by the left to portray all conservatives as white supremacists. I've always said the left is better at that type of marketing than the right. It's all part of the doom/gloom tactics the left is notorious for.

First, nobody believes that all GOPers are white supremacists. What we will say is that most white supremacists are GOPers. See the difference? None vote Democrat. I think that's a fairly safe bet to make...

How many Dem insiders have put the screws to Trump? Where do you think all the investigations were spawned from?

Um....considering that the DOJ is chock full of GOPers, including Jack Smith, I'd say the figure is very small. I touched on James Comey fucking Hillary over in 2016, but didn't mention the wave of rumours and leaks from FBI sources throughout the campaign that were weaponized against her...and much of it was exaggerations or lies. Now, the right can cry about how Donald is targeted, but I think it shows how blatant and flagarent his crimes were. Obama did nothing close to this. If he did, the left would call for him to face the ramifications.

Obama was at war for all 8 years of his presidency. Multiple wars. 8 years!

And........how many did he start? And politically, you know the GOP would crucify him for ending them. They were so gung-ho about Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting the troops etc. If Obama pulled out, they would say he was betraying the soldiers....Don't pretend for a second that that wouldn't have happened.

 

[silentkisser]

The corporate mainstream media has proven itself to be anything but centrist. Hell half the media have close ties to the Democratic Party. And that party hasn't been centrist since the days of Bill Clinton.

LOL - Hilarious. The mainstream media falls over itself to appear unbiased. They go after Biden with a vengeance instead of grilling Trump for fear of being called leftists. After the debate, all of them called for Biden to step down, yet did not provide any scrutiny on Trump or his performance....or his rambling speeches.

If anything, the MSM has moved to the right. What was centrist in Clinton's time sure as fuck ain't that now.
Saying otherwise is just right-wing spin.

 

[Skoob]

Again, where did I saw that he stole money from a children's hospital charity? What I will point out was the Trump Foundation misused charitable funds for other purposes, was forced to repay $2 million and then shut down the foundation. That happened. That is real. So, pretending that it isn't true doesn't really matter.

Sorry, it was another member in this thread who said he stole money from children's charities not you.
I haven't disputed that there was a verdict.
I've disputed the notion that it was mentioned by the poster that he frauded a kids charity/hospital and that was not the case.

But what matters most is that due to the campaign to keep him in court, the end result is that the charities that have received $millions over the years, will no longer get anything. ie cut nose to spite face simply for political gain.

 

[Butler1000]

If Trump pulls off a very real moment with his speech on Thursday, the new question will be....

Does it matter? There may not be anyone who can defeat him or will want to try.

Especially because any attempt to replace him will cause chaos that will reflect on the party.

 

[silentkisser]

Sorry, it was another member in this thread who said he stole money from children's charities not you.
I haven't disputed that there was a verdict.
I've disputed the notion that it was mentioned by the poster that he frauded a kids charity/hospital and that was not the case.

But what matters most is that due to the campaign to keep him in court, the end result is that the charities that have received $millions over the years, will no longer get anything. ie cut nose to spite face simply for political gain.

There is nothing stopping Donald or anyone in his family from donating to charity. They just cannot run their own. So, if they were really philanthropic, nothing would stop them. So, i'm not going to cry over the money these charities "could" have received from the Trump Foundation.