Will Biden step down?

jalimon

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Because his bookkeeping misrepresented which charities the money was going to.
That's what happens when you have Democrat judges being weaponized against political opponents...they will leverage every aspect of the law and issue the harshest punishments allowed.

The losers here are the charities. Dems never cared about that. They were too focused on political witch hunts and swaying public opinion. Now those charities that were getting donations aren't any longer.

So when you want to think about who screwed the charities, think about that.
And his university that he had to shut down and pay back 25 millions? His bookkeeping also?
 

silentkisser

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The doom/gloom tactics are old.
Very subjective commentary and the inevitable Hitler reference for a President who didn't start any wars and welcomed diversity.
Presidents replace staff all the time. It's not really a measure. Some replace more some less.

The question that needs to be asked is why was he elected last time and why does it look like he'll be elected again?
Hmmmm. Those are good questions. I can answer them fairly broadly. But the main reason is Fox News and the right-wing media echo chamber.

In 2016 (and for many years before the election), Hillary Clinton was vilified on Fox. She was to blame for Benghazi (despite 12 investigations, including congressional hearings that showed she did nothing wrong), she was dragged through the mud for the private server situation, and of course Fox and the right-wing media actively helped Trump. He got free airtime to rant and rave about whatever he wanted, and there was never any pushback on his lies. They provided cover for all of his scandals, from the Access Hollywood tape to allegations of sexual assault and other affairs. You had the opinion folks provide advice and spin to help with strategy and cover. In any other election, Trump would have been destroyed or would have dropped out of the race.

And let's not forget that James Comey broke DOJ regulations by announcing they re-opened the server investigation in late October, only to say it was again closed just before the election. That was certainly election interference, because most legal scholars said it could have/should have been done quietly, especially when there was a strong chance that nothing would have come of it.

Another thing to consider is that America became even more divisive during the Obama years, thanks to the right-wing media. Let's not forget what this outrage factory pushed. Obama had the gaul to wear a tan suit!!! Obama is not American, he's a muslim from Kenya....the list goes on and on. The whole birther situation and the growth of the Tea Party had serious racial undertones. Tea Party extremist eventually morphed into MAGA supporters, and Trump knew how to blow that dog whistle so they were attracted to him.

Now, I'm not going to say all MAGA are racist, but it does seem to be a fact that most racists and bigots support MAGA. These people buy into the lies that there is some master plan to stop America from being a white majority. They believe those lies about caravans and massive illegal immigration (I mean, that is a problem, but by objective measures, it is massively exaggerated). They think climate change is a hoax and buy into the "Soros" influence. They also start to distrust the mainstream media because they report objectively and don't blow things out of proportion. This is acutely seen during the COVID pandemic.

Fast-forward to today. Many of those things have become even more hyper-partisan. There is a growing apathy in politics. Biden is old. Trump ain't much younger, but still lies about virtually everything. The economy has issues. There is still inflation, but Biden has guided the US to the lowest levels of unemployment in like 50 years. Wages have grown, manufacturing jobs are returning at a greater pace than what Trump saw. Violent crime, after spiking during the pandemic, is falling. But, if you only watched Fox or Newsmax...you wouldn't know that.

There are many other reasons for his victory in 2016 and why he could win again. But I think Fox gets a lot of the blame. Let's also remember that Roger Ailes created the idea of Fox after Nixon was forced to resign. He basically said that a media outlet that was right-wing could defend the indefensible. And, that's what Fox became. It is nearly an extension of the RNC/GOP. Say what you will about the biases and leanings of MSNBC or CNN, they are nowhere close to being as aligned with the Democrat party as Fox is with the GOP.
 

silentkisser

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Because his bookkeeping misrepresented which charities the money was going to.
That's what happens when you have Democrat judges being weaponized against political opponents...they will leverage every aspect of the law and issue the harshest punishments allowed.

The losers here are the charities. Dems never cared about that. They were too focused on political witch hunts and swaying public opinion. Now those charities that were getting donations aren't any longer.

So when you want to think about who screwed the charities, think about that.
It's always Democrat judges. Always. There could never be any wrongdoing by Trump....

But, let's step into reality. Trump has a long history of fucking over charities. The man frequently announced he would make a donation and rarely followed through.


And, it should also be pointed out that the Trump's always blame someone else for their failing. Where is the accountability? Blaming accountants? That sounds like massive bullshit.
 

Skoob

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And his university that he had to shut down and pay back 25 millions? His bookkeeping also?
That wasn't a charity.
That was settled without going to trial over subjective beliefs that the program didn't deliver value.
That was years before he became president.

So are you moving on from the charity stuff?
 
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Skoob

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Hmmmm. Those are good questions. I can answer them fairly broadly. But the main reason is Fox News and the right-wing media echo chamber.

In 2016 (and for many years before the election), Hillary Clinton was vilified on Fox. She was to blame for Benghazi (despite 12 investigations, including congressional hearings that showed she did nothing wrong), she was dragged through the mud for the private server situation, and of course Fox and the right-wing media actively helped Trump. He got free airtime to rant and rave about whatever he wanted, and there was never any pushback on his lies. They provided cover for all of his scandals, from the Access Hollywood tape to allegations of sexual assault and other affairs. You had the opinion folks provide advice and spin to help with strategy and cover. In any other election, Trump would have been destroyed or would have dropped out of the race.

And let's not forget that James Comey broke DOJ regulations by announcing they re-opened the server investigation in late October, only to say it was again closed just before the election. That was certainly election interference, because most legal scholars said it could have/should have been done quietly, especially when there was a strong chance that nothing would have come of it.

Another thing to consider is that America became even more divisive during the Obama years, thanks to the right-wing media. Let's not forget what this outrage factory pushed. Obama had the gaul to wear a tan suit!!! Obama is not American, he's a muslim from Kenya....the list goes on and on. The whole birther situation and the growth of the Tea Party had serious racial undertones. Tea Party extremist eventually morphed into MAGA supporters, and Trump knew how to blow that dog whistle so they were attracted to him.

Now, I'm not going to say all MAGA are racist, but it does seem to be a fact that most racists and bigots support MAGA. These people buy into the lies that there is some master plan to stop America from being a white majority. They believe those lies about caravans and massive illegal immigration (I mean, that is a problem, but by objective measures, it is massively exaggerated). They think climate change is a hoax and buy into the "Soros" influence. They also start to distrust the mainstream media because they report objectively and don't blow things out of proportion. This is acutely seen during the COVID pandemic.

Fast-forward to today. Many of those things have become even more hyper-partisan. There is a growing apathy in politics. Biden is old. Trump ain't much younger, but still lies about virtually everything. The economy has issues. There is still inflation, but Biden has guided the US to the lowest levels of unemployment in like 50 years. Wages have grown, manufacturing jobs are returning at a greater pace than what Trump saw. Violent crime, after spiking during the pandemic, is falling. But, if you only watched Fox or Newsmax...you wouldn't know that.

There are many other reasons for his victory in 2016 and why he could win again. But I think Fox gets a lot of the blame. Let's also remember that Roger Ailes created the idea of Fox after Nixon was forced to resign. He basically said that a media outlet that was right-wing could defend the indefensible. And, that's what Fox became. It is nearly an extension of the RNC/GOP. Say what you will about the biases and leanings of MSNBC or CNN, they are nowhere close to being as aligned with the Democrat party as Fox is with the GOP.
You think America voted in a president, with little to no political experience, based on Fox? Even though the majority of major media outlets are left wing? Wow!

I'll offer my opinion as far as why he won before and why he will most likely win again...

Because people are fed up with the status quo. The status quo talks a good game, but doesn't deliver. People aren't stupid. They want change.
They wanted change from 8 years of Democrat rule (Obama).
The ones who didn't believe Trump would win, most likely didn't bother voting. They voted the next time and Biden won.
Then after 4 years of seeing that Democrats failed them again, they are ready for Trump's return.

Most people don't care what a politician does in their personal lives, what they say, how they look, who they associate with, etc; they care about their own well-being. When they feel that their own well-being is not good, they vote for change.
 

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It's always Democrat judges. Always. There could never be any wrongdoing by Trump....

But, let's step into reality. Trump has a long history of fucking over charities. The man frequently announced he would make a donation and rarely followed through.


And, it should also be pointed out that the Trump's always blame someone else for their failing. Where is the accountability? Blaming accountants? That sounds like massive bullshit.
When you want to sway public opinion, one way to do it is to constantly make allegations about your opponent and ensure they spend most of their time in court fighting the allegations. That's political warfare 101.
Democrats have proven they are masters at that.
Not fulfilling promises to charities and claiming fraud about charitable donations are two different things.

You claimed he defrauded charities and hospitals including a children's cancer hospital. Do you still stand behind that claim? If yes why? If no, why?
 

Frankfooter

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That wasn't a charity.
That was settled without going to trial over subjective beliefs that the program didn't deliver value.
That was years before he became president.

So are you moving on from the charity stuff?
So everyone who finds rump guilty of something is a dem and partisan?
You are in a cult.
 

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The question that needs to be asked is why was he elected last time and why does it look like he'll be elected again?
who really knows why was he elected last time? maybe because Putin and Assange helped? maybe because millions of americans are dumb enough to believe in angels?
 

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When you want to sway public opinion, one way to do it is to constantly make allegations about your opponent and ensure they spend most of their time in court fighting the allegations. That's political warfare 101.
Democrats have proven they are masters at that.
Not fulfilling promises to charities and claiming fraud about charitable donations are two different things.

You claimed he defrauded charities and hospitals including a children's cancer hospital. Do you still stand behind that claim? If yes why? If no, why?
 
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Skoob

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From your article:


"Eric Trump, the president's second son and now the co-head of the Trump Organization, who has hosted this event for ten years on behalf of the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis. He's done a ton of good: To date, he's directed more than $11 million there, the vast majority of it via this annual golf event. He has also helped raise another $5 million through events with other organizations."

Question: Where will that hospital get $millions now?
 

Skoob

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who really knows why was he elected last time? maybe because Putin and Assange helped? maybe because millions of americans are dumb enough to believe in angels?
Yeah...it was a good question right?
Explains your conspiracy-laden, bias-fueled response.
 

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who really knows why was he elected last time? maybe because Putin and Assange helped? maybe because millions of americans are dumb enough to believe in angels?
Maybe because people don't like Hillary Clinton, her policies, and what is the direction of the nation? The same reasons many didn't vote for Trump?
 
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Frankfooter

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From your article:


"Eric Trump, the president's second son and now the co-head of the Trump Organization, who has hosted this event for ten years on behalf of the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis. He's done a ton of good: To date, he's directed more than $11 million there, the vast majority of it via this annual golf event. He has also helped raise another $5 million through events with other organizations."

Question: Where will that hospital get $millions now?
So its ok to steal if you also give some to charity?
 

Frankfooter

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"Some"? Try $millions.

No one stole anything.

The losers here are the charities because rather than getting $millions, they now get nothing.

Happy?
Yes, the rump's stole from the kids cancer charity which is why the judge ordered them to shut their charity and never run another one.
Read the court rulings so you don't look so stupid.
 
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