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Munk Debate on Zionism

Leimonis

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Yes I do. Which is why they should either give them their own state, or else acknowledge they are an apartheid ethnostate.
Would you be a little concerned that if Palestinians get their state with the ability to import and accumulate weapons they would inevitably attack israel just as they always promise to do?
 

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Would you be a little concerned that if Palestinians get their state with the ability to import and accumulate weapons they would inevitably attack israel just as they always promise to do?
Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
 
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Frankfooter

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Well that's just more reason to finish what they started now isn't it?

How stupid is Hamas to distribute a video like that? Seriously?
You know what's even more stupid?
Thinking you can destroy a resistance through genocide.
There are now about 100,000 orphans in Gaza, who do you think they are going to hate as they grow up?
Do you think they will be justified to hate zionists?



 

southpaw

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Would you be a little concerned that if Palestinians get their state with the ability to import and accumulate weapons they would inevitably attack israel just as they always promise to do?
They attack Israel now, don't they? Israel will be attacked regardless of whether the Palestinians have a state, or not.

The difference is, Israel could stop being an apartheid state. I suspect it will always be an ethnostate.
 

Leimonis

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They attack Israel now, don't they? Israel will be attacked regardless of whether the Palestinians have a state, or not.

The difference is, Israel could stop being an apartheid state. I suspect it will always be an ethnostate.
 

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They attack Israel now, don't they? Israel will be attacked regardless of whether the Palestinians have a state, or not.

The difference is, Israel could stop being an apartheid state. I suspect it will always be an ethnostate.

explain this




About The Sharia Courts
The State of Israel recognized the Sharia courts, their powers and the law in force in accordance with the Rule of Law, and even enacted the Kadies' Law to approve appointments recognized by Kadies who served in the courts before the establishment of the State.


Since the establishment of the State, the Sharia courts have been under the responsibility of the Ministry of Religious Affairs until they were transferred to the purview of the Ministry of Justice on February 21st 2001.
The Sharia courts have existed since the Ottoman Empire, when they served as the court of the state.
The British Mandate left the legal situation that preceded it subject to the changes it introduced, and thus the Sharia courts remained in place, but their powers were limited to matters of personal status of Muslims only.


The powers of the Sharia courts
The powers of the Sharia courts were determined in the Proclamation of the King and his Council for the Land of Israel for 1922 – 1947, in accordance with the Procedure of the Muslim Religious Courts Law for the year 1333 H., as follows:

Matters pertaining to marriage – proof of marriage, marriage permit, marriage confirmation, wedding gift and dowry.
Matters pertaining to divorce – proof of divorce, arbitration, separation and annulment of marriage.
Alimony – wife, son, father and grandfather.
Guardianship and legal competency.
Child support – visitation and hospitality procedures.
Genealogy of minors – paternity.
Management of assets of missing and incompetent persons.
Obedience – domestic peace.
Waqf – endowments.
Prevention of domestic violence – the Prevention of Domestic Violence Law, 5751 – 1991.
Conversion to Islam – the Religious Group (Conversion) Ordinance.
Financial relations between spouses - the Financial Relations Between Spouses Law.
 

Frankfooter

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explain this




About The Sharia Courts
The State of Israel recognized the Sharia courts, their powers and the law in force in accordance with the Rule of Law, and even enacted the Kadies' Law to approve appointments recognized by Kadies who served in the courts before the establishment of the State.


Since the establishment of the State, the Sharia courts have been under the responsibility of the Ministry of Religious Affairs until they were transferred to the purview of the Ministry of Justice on February 21st 2001.
The Sharia courts have existed since the Ottoman Empire, when they served as the court of the state.
The British Mandate left the legal situation that preceded it subject to the changes it introduced, and thus the Sharia courts remained in place, but their powers were limited to matters of personal status of Muslims only.


The powers of the Sharia courts
The powers of the Sharia courts were determined in the Proclamation of the King and his Council for the Land of Israel for 1922 – 1947, in accordance with the Procedure of the Muslim Religious Courts Law for the year 1333 H., as follows:

Matters pertaining to marriage – proof of marriage, marriage permit, marriage confirmation, wedding gift and dowry.
Matters pertaining to divorce – proof of divorce, arbitration, separation and annulment of marriage.
Alimony – wife, son, father and grandfather.
Guardianship and legal competency.
Child support – visitation and hospitality procedures.
Genealogy of minors – paternity.
Management of assets of missing and incompetent persons.
Obedience – domestic peace.
Waqf – endowments.
Prevention of domestic violence – the Prevention of Domestic Violence Law, 5751 – 1991.
Conversion to Islam – the Religious Group (Conversion) Ordinance.
Financial relations between spouses - the Financial Relations Between Spouses Law.
Do you really want to compare that to either Orthodox Jews or Evangelical Christians?
Is that a reason to support genocide, in your thinking?
 

southpaw

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Leimonis

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What is there to explain? That Israel has a minority called "Israeli Arabs" who are Israeli citizens?

Why not extend the same courtesy to all the Palestinians? Because then, they'd lose their Jewish majority, and they'd lose their Jewish state.
Maybe it’s because arabs can live in a Jewish state while Jews for some reason cannot live in Arab states. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon…something is wrong with their hospitality, isn’t it?
Country or territory1948 Jewish
population
1972 Jewish
population
Recent estimates
Morocco250000[76]–265000[77]31000[267]2,100 (2019)
Algeria140000[76][77]1000[267]50–200 (2021)[268][269]
Tunisia50000[76]–105000[77]8000[267]1000 (2019)[270]
Libya35000[76]–38000[77]50[267]0 (2014)[271]
North Africa Total~500000~40000~3000
Iraq135000[77]–140000[76]500[267]5–7 (2014)[271]
Egypt75000[77]–80000[76]500[267]100 (2019)[271]
Yemen and Aden53,000[76]–63,000[77]500[267]50 (2016)[272]
Syria15000[76]–30000[77]4000[267]100 (2019)[271]
Lebanon5000[77]–200002000[267]100 (2012)[273]
Bahrain550–60036 (2007)[274]
Sudan350[261]≈0
Middle East (excluding Palestine/Israel) Total~300000~7,500~400
Afghanistan5000500[267]0 (2021)[254]
BangladeshUnknown75–100 (2012)[275]
Iran65,232 (1956)[276]62,258 (1976)[276][277] - 80000[267]9000–20000(2022)[278]
Pakistan2000–2500[279]250[267]>900 (2017)[280]
Turkey80000[281]30000[267]12000–16000 (2022)[282]
Non-Arab Muslim Countries Total~150000~100000~24000
 
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southpaw

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Maybe it’s because arabs can live in a Jewish state while Jews for some reason cannot live in Arab states.
And? Do you see me arguing to send billions in aid to any of those Arab states? Show me a single post where I've said the West should help the Arabs, including the Palestinians.

I'm advocating to stop supporting one ethnostate. Not to start supporting others.
 

Leimonis

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And? Do you see me arguing to send billions in aid to any of those Arab states? Show me a single post where I've said the West should help the Arabs, including the Palestinians.

I'm advocating to stop supporting one ethnostate. Not to start supporting others.
So you are okay with Jews being ethnically cleansed from israel like they have been from all the other Arab countries?
 

southpaw

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So you are okay with Jews being ethnically cleansed from israel like they have been from all the other Arab countries?
No I am not. Just like I'm not okay with the ethnic cleansing in Ethiopia, Sudan, or Myanmar. Or the oppression of the Uighurs and Tibetans by China.

Or whatever other conflict is currently going on. But I also know it's not our place to interfere in foreign conflicts.
 
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