Israel at war

Valcazar

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I'd say it has cost them Michigan. Absolutely. Thats 100,000's of votes around Dearborn that are toast. And the margin is tight there.
It might.
But we don't know how many votes are lost there.
It will be an absolute push by Trump and his company to get people to sit out the vote there because it is a break point.

As for other parts it isn't about support politically but simply about taxpayer dollars bring spent and not on Americans. Isolationism has risen in the USA to a point imo it will be a factor in the swing states.
But as shown in the various polls Frank linked to, it doesn't seem to be the prime factor driving votes.
It isn't like Biden changing his Israel position means he wins the election.
 

Valcazar

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How is voting for someone aiding genocide 'fixing the system' or 'nurturing democracy'?
The system is clearly fucked if your choice is between a rapist and convicted felon who attempted a coup and someone aiding genocide.
Because not voting is counter productive.
Also, you are under some sort of delusion that I think voting is the only thing people should do and the system of voting shouldn't be changed.

No.
If this were an election between Biden and some more traditional republican you wouldn't be repeatedly arguing that not voting for rump will bring about the end of democracy and even more genocide.
So you agree that my arguments about who to vote for would be based on who is running?
Thanks.
I'm glad.

I got the impression you were arguing that I am just making up a fake claim about the consequences to get my person in power and am every bit as bad as MAGA for doing that.
I'm glad I misunderstood that.

Same way the protests and losing the election changed the dems after Vietnam.
You mean the massive, blowout loss of McGovern as a peace candidate in 1972 made the Dems more warlike for the next generation or so because they got systematically crushed in Presidential elections for 20 years and only won once in the aftermath of Watergate?

Have you at least moved on from saying that votes are owed to Biden and refusing to vote for him is 'punishing' him just for aiding genocide?
You are the one who said that refusing to vote for him was to punish him.
Well, you dropped that pretty quickly when I called you on it, but Katiyula is sticking to it.

The Dems must lose to teach the Dems a lesson - just like you said happened during the Vietnam era.
 

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it is confirmed! Terrorist Chronicle aka Palestine Chronicle was involved in holding hostages







IDF confirms: 3 hostages held by Palestinian ‘journalist’ and Hamas operative who was killed during rescue




Three of the four Israeli hostages rescued on Saturday were held in the home of a Palestinian journalist and operative of the Hamas terror group, the Israel Defense Forces confirmed on Sunday evening.

“After investigations by the IDF and Shin Bet, it can be confirmed that Abdullah al-Jamal was an operative of the terrorist organization Hamas, who held the abductees Almog Meir, Andrey Kozlov and Shlomi Ziv in his family home in Nuseirat,” the IDF stated.

“This is further proof that the terrorist organization Hamas uses the civilian population as a human shield.”

The statement partly confirmed assertions by Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor (EMHRM) Chairman Ramy Abdu on social media.

Soon after the rescue operation on Saturday, Abdu claimed that IDF soldiers killed several members of the al-Jamal family in their home during the raid, including Abdullah’s father, who was a medical doctor, and several women.

This statement fueled speculation that the home was used to hold Noa Argamani, who revealed after her rescue that she had been kept in the private residence of a well-off family.

The IDF later denied this, stating that the three male hostages were held there.

Eitan Fischberger, a Middle East analyst and journalist, commented on Abdu’s original post, adding several details about Abdullah al-Jamal’s dual work as a journalist and Hamas member.

Al-Jamal reportedly worked as a freelance journalist and was a former writer for Al-Jazeera News, among other outlets. In addition, he functioned as the spokesman for Hamas’ Ministry of Labor in the Gaza Strip.


Al Jazeera later claimed that al-Jamal "is not related to us at all and did not work in the past or present for Al Jazeera" and denied the "malicious rumors." Despite this, al-Jamal's name appeared on the channel's website as a contributor.

During the war, al-Jamal mainly wrote a blog for the U.S.-based tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization, The Palestine Chronicle, accusing Israeli soldiers of murders and massacres. He apparently continued his work while holding three Israeli hostages in his family home.

Fischberger also found al-Jamal’s Facebook posts from Oct. 7, when he praised God for his “promised victory.”


Abdu describes himself as an assistant professor of Law and Finance and is a veteran anti-Israel activist. According to NGO Monitor, in 2013, the Israeli Defense Ministry called him one of the “main operatives” for institutions considered by Israel to be fronts for Hamas in Europe.

“The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor is an ideological advocacy NGO led by Palestinians alleged by Israel to be linked to Hamas. The organization uses the facade of human rights and focuses primarily on demonizing Israel, with no publicly available information on its budget or funding sources,” NGO Monitor wrote on their page.

“The repeated allegations directed at Israel, including accusations of ‘organ theft,’ as well as ‘genocide,’ ‘ethnic cleansing,’ ‘collective punishment,’ are not supported by evidence.”

IDF confirms: 3 hostages held by Palestinian ‘journalist’ and Hamas operative who was killed during rescue | All Israel News
 

Butler1000

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Oh Butler.
You aren't silly enough to think this is how I would try to persuade voters do you?

This is TERB where none of you vote.



LOL!
That's a new version of the "We just need to beat them until they accept my point of view" approach you prefer.
Nice.
The reason the Dems are relying on is "Where else ya gonna go" when it comes to minorities. It's the one they have been using for decades. Well the polling is clearly suggesting they are willing to walk away anyway and see things get worse hoping it gets better later. Hispanics, Black men, Muslims, Young people are now willing in game changing percentages to stay home, vote Trump, or third party. Not because of anything I've said, but because of what Democrats have, of have not done depending on the question.

They have become so bad in many eyes Trump is a viable alternative for 4 years. Blaming voters is not the answer.
 

Butler1000

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Oh Butler.
You aren't silly enough to think this is how I would try to persuade voters do you?

This is TERB where none of you vote.



LOL!
That's a new version of the "We just need to beat them until they accept my point of view" approach you prefer.
Nice.
I'm sure you do, and don't even realize you do. You can't help yourself. You do it to anyone who attacks the Dems with legitimate attacks.

You try to obfuscate policy with procedural bullshiting. The premise being they have, and never will have choice. Well they do. And more are will to leave the Dems as a useless exercise in voting.
 

shack

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How do past acts justify killing 15,000 children?
How do past acts justify starving 1 million people to death?
That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
 

shack

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No, correcting your lies is not lying, grandpa.
Lies and insults from you. And whatever insults you sling my way does not change that you are a racist.
 

shack

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There is enough video and photos to keep the ICJ and ICC busy for decades, grandpa.
Thanks for agreeing and admitting that that pic is not current and not from the current conflict.
 

shack

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What is this a confession of, grandpa?
That is the rallying cry of you and Amoeba. Why wouldn't you understand what it means?

Is that the same as Amoeba not knowing what a Ziontologist is? You guys use words and phrases that you don't understand yourselves.
 

shack

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Thanks for admitting Israel targets children and civilians at large and has always done so.
There is no logic in saying that if I'm calling that a fake picture it is an admission of anything. Just another non-sequitur from you.

Nope it is you that is projecting. He said we will eliminate everything. That is not interpretation. That is the literal translation.
But then you said it means there would not be a single person remaining. He did not use those exact words. That is the interpretation. You used words that he didn't. That is the definition of interpretation. How can you not understand that?

Show me the exact words of "not a single person" and I'll retract my statement.
 

shack

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He could have said eliminate Hamas but given Israel considers that there are no non combatants in Gaza, he chose to say eliminate everything.
So he's going to eliminate all air and water and sand? Those would be included in "everything".
 

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That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
Delusional
 
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