That is a different discussion. I am talking about what we see in the west in the media, in what politicians say that influence public opinion etc., You said they don't share our values.As I've said before. We have two sides who will never come to the table. Ever. And there is no way I will ever approve of spending blood and treasure to try to get them to see reason. The Palestinians chose Iranian Shia muslims and their allies. Who are hated by all the other Sunni muslims in the region. They chose Terrorism, violence, even support of assassination and coups. And really have just been used as pawns. They are the authors of their own problems.
So feel free to pick a side. Either way one is, in the long run, going to see a winner and a loser. That's how this ends.
Firstly there is a lot to unpack there because the west itself has engaged in horrible wars in the middle east where they have brutalized, tortured, unlawfully detained and sent people to concentration camps such as Guantanamo, thereby denying them due process which is an inherent part of western democratic values. They are also human rights violations which you said were western values. So the west itself has behaved in ways that violate our values.
Secondly even if you were to argue that the Muslims in the middle east don't share our values, that would not change the fact that we'd be guided by our own values. And if we were we'd find it very easy to collectively call Israel's actions genocide and terminate all relations with the genocidal state. But we clearly don't and instead cheer them on. Which would indicate to me that these are values we value for the purposes of rhetoric only.
On both counts that line of reasoning fails. The only one that stands up to scrutiny is the very reasonable assertion that quite simply as a society we have our biases and that we are no different than the Palestinians or Muslims from the middle east whether or not we throw LGBTQ people off of roof tops, or are engaged in sectarian conflict. We just engage in different internal conflicts and practice a different kind of oppression.
I don't care about Hamas. I have already said that Hamas needs to be taken out. But people on this thread and on social media, even politicians have repeatedly conflated Palestinians with Hamas and terrorism. That is what am referring to.You seem to think anybody that argues with you "hate" muslims. I have tons of Muslim friends and no, I don't try to change or challenge their beliefs...there are good people in the Islam community. The conflict here isn't Palestinians vs. Jews...It's Terrorists vs. Israel...Hamas objective isn't to free the Palestinians...it's to eradicate Israel. You simply can't get everyone get behind you if you target civilians then cry victim when you receive retaliation... Hamas won't solve the Palestinians problems...it magnified it 100x...