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Gooseifur

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Let's discuss this.

There is 2 centuries of stereotyping of Blacks as violent and lazy which affects jury perceptions.

Trump may not be liked in New York, but no one is stereotyping Trump as anything in particular. So your simile doesn't work.

Just out of curiosity - What was Trump's actual defence in the hush money trial?..... I don't think he had one, did he?

He just whined about how unfair it all was and that he was targeted as a political person. That's not a defence. That's a whiny-ass minge.
Well wasn't Trump sterotyped for years as being a criminal by the left and media despite never being convicted of a crime. His defense was that he didn't know about the business records. That is was his team that did it without his knowledge. Not a great defense, I agree but if he was the micromanager Cohen made him out to be how did he not notice the 30k Cohen stole?
 

SchlongConery

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That's because they stack the bleachers close to Trump with Blacks and Latinos.

There are Trump-heads in the same sense that there used to be "Dead-heads" - people who followed the Grateful Dead around the country to be part of the carnival ethos. One of my female relatives married a dude whose parents obsess about Trump and follow him around. They continually buy Trump souvenirs and do whatever Trump tells them. They're unsophisticated. The dad's an ex traffic cop who's retired. And it's what they do to make them feel involved and busy.
 

dirtydaveiii

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Are you sure you are a lawyer? A state crime can be heard by the Supreme court if it involves Federal law. In this case one of the underlying crimes was he bro

It can be heard by the supreme court if there is federal or constitutional law involved . I'm pretty sure one of his lawyers will find a way to get it there
his lawyers are low level morons - has this not been evident to you as you watch him lose EVERY SINGLE CASE ?
 

dirtydaveiii

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Let's discuss this.

There is 2 centuries of stereotyping of Blacks as violent and lazy which affects jury perceptions.

Trump may not be liked in New York, but no one is stereotyping Trump as anything in particular. So your simile doesn't work.

Just out of curiosity - What was Trump's actual defence in the hush money trial?..... I don't think he had one, did he?

He just whined about how unfair it all was and that he was targeted as a political person. That's not a defence. That's a whiny-ass minge.
trumps defense is the liar he hired and stood behind to do his dealings was a liar yet he had recording to prove that trump is the real liar and signatures show that trump knew exactly what was going on. why was trump so afraid of his pecker not to make him take the fall like cohen ? is it because pecker is biggrer than mushroom boi
 

dirtydaveiii

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They don't relate to anyone one else. I'm talking about this specific one. where Trump and Hillary committed the same crime and she was charged by the FEC and he wasn't but he is charged with a felony and she isn't. In the same state no less
hillary fucked a porn star hooker too and lied about it being legal expenses /
 

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Well wasn't Trump sterotyped for years as being a criminal by the left and media despite never being convicted of a crime. His defense was that he didn't know about the business records. That is was his team that did it without his knowledge. Not a great defense, I agree but if he was the micromanager Cohen made him out to be how did he not notice the 30k Cohen stole?
Here's your problem.

Trump always says people are lying about him, but Trump never takes the stand in any of these cases. He could have potentially beaten both the Cohen and Carroll testimony if he only took the stand and gave evidence.

Cohen is a hardcore sleazebag felon liar and Carroll was testifying about unwitnessed shit that went down 30 years ago and that would make her a ton of $$$$. These are beatable cases. But Pumpkinhead doesn't have the balls to take the stand.

He's a coward. He ran away from Vietnam and he flinches from testifying in court. So juries don't believe him because he doesn't back up his case by testifying.
 

Leimonis

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^^^ Your soft, religious Republicans and independents will not vote for a criminal.
Except millions of them definitely will happily vote for a criminal…
 

Phil C. McNasty

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That is not a yes or no question. The answer is it depends on circumstances. If a white person is pulled over and does not have his vehicle searched despite them having MJ or is let off with a warning for possession, but a black person is searched and arrested, then yes, that is not right because of differential treatment, aka systemic racism
No other politician has ever been arrested for paying off mistresses except for Trump
 

Phil C. McNasty

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John edwards?
Never convicted.
But you are technically correct, he was arrested.

His case is a bit different because he didnt pay off Rielle Hunter, he was funneling money from his campaign to her so they could spend that money together.
Also he funneled over $1 million, that makes what he did even worse and he never served 1 day in prison
 

Phil C. McNasty

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He was not arrested for that. He was arrested for falsifying business records
Misdemeanors which were then magically transformed into felonies.

Come on man, stop drinking the koolaid :D
 
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Leimonis

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Misdemeanors which were then magically transformed into felonies.
Aww and his lawyers just stood there and looked at this magic and did nothing 😢heartbreaking!
 
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kherg007

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Apparently Trump was found guilty of said felonies. Go figure.
Misdemeanors in service to other crimes is the basis of the felony counts upon which he was convicted.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.

In Trump's case, prosecutors said that other crime was a violation of a New York election law that makes it illegal for "any two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," as the judge explained in his instructions to the jury.

David Pecker clearly stated that early in the trial. The payments were written out by weisselberg.
The supporters of Trump have been actively mischaracterizing the charges.
 

Valcazar

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And a porn star payoff isn't?
He wasn't charged with paying off a porn star.

But assuming you are actually following the thread of the conversation, paying off a porn star could well have been.
That was the point of arguing that he was actually doing it to protect Melania.
 

Valcazar

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How many times and how many ways will it take for you and fellow Trumptards to understand that he was charged and convicted of business fraud for falsifying business records.
They are determined NOT to understand that.

Had Trump just recorded it as a "shareholder loan" or "personal benefit" he wouldn't be charged.
If he had just paid it himself, it wouldn't have been a crime.
 

Leimonis

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If he had just paid it himself, it wouldn't have been a crime.
AFAIK a record of such a payment would have been accessible to the public as a campaign expense.
So that was not an option because it would defeat the purpose which was to keep it secret from the voters.
 

Valcazar

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What "messaging" don't I see?

That Trump's appeal lies with the people on the left side of the Bell curve and not on the right? Duhhhh...

To turn your actual words on you, "Water is Wet". Trump is the demagogue of the less intelligent and that the media reports on the most click-attracting events.

Dumb fucks adore him and intelligent people sbhotr him Duhhhh!

You have to remember that for Butler, messaging is the single most important thing about politics.
 
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