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squeezer

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No it doesn't look good for the justice system when the people in charge of policing the election system fine and charge Clinton and don't charge Trump for the same crime yet Trump becomes a felon and Hillary doesn't. Does that make sense to you?
It does when Trump is guilty of committing crime after crime after crime. He was charged with misappropriating campaign funds to hide an affair to mislead voters. He was charged for taking documents and refusing to give them back. He is charged with trying to steal an election. I don't understand how any of his crimes relate to anyone else. Plus he was indicted by a grand jury and convicted by a jury of his peers, NOT BY BIDEN OR THE STATE.
 

Gooseifur

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It's a state offence trial, genius.

It doesn't get to the USSC. It goes as far as the New York State Court of Appeal.

Another brilliant theory you gotta let go, huh?
Are you sure you are a lawyer? A state crime can be heard by the Supreme court if it involves Federal law. In this case one of the underlying crimes was he bro
It's a state offence trial, genius.

It doesn't get to the USSC. It goes as far as the New York State Court of Appeal.

Another brilliant theory you gotta let go, huh?
It can be heard by the supreme court if there is federal or constitutional law involved . I'm pretty sure one of his lawyers will find a way to get it there
 

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It does when Trump is guilty of committing crime after crime after crime. He was charged with misappropriating campaign funds to hide an affair to mislead voters. He was charged for taking documents and refusing to give them back. He is charged with trying to steal an election. I don't understand how any of his crimes relate to anyone else. Plus he was indicted by a grand jury and convicted by a jury of his peers, NOT BY BIDEN OR THE STATE.
They don't relate to anyone one else. I'm talking about this specific one. where Trump and Hillary committed the same crime and she was charged by the FEC and he wasn't but he is charged with a felony and she isn't. In the same state no less
 

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Isn't that usually dealt with by challenging the jury with actual evidence of bias before the trial, counsellor?

I don't recall the Trump legal team actually doing that. Hmmm.........
Its the best jury he could get in a district that voted 90% against him. Do you want to tell all those black people who were wrongly convicted that there isn't any jury bias.
 

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Are you sure you are a lawyer? A state crime can be heard by the Supreme court if it involves Federal law. In this case one of the underlying crimes was he bro

It can be heard by the supreme court if there is federal or constitutional law involved . I'm pretty sure one of his lawyers will find a way to get it there
But there isn't.
 

mandrill

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Its the best jury he could get in a district that voted 90% against him. Do you want to tell all those black people who were wrongly convicted that there isn't any jury bias.
Let's discuss this.

There is 2 centuries of stereotyping of Blacks as violent and lazy which affects jury perceptions.

Trump may not be liked in New York, but no one is stereotyping Trump as anything in particular. So your simile doesn't work.

Just out of curiosity - What was Trump's actual defence in the hush money trial?..... I don't think he had one, did he?

He just whined about how unfair it all was and that he was targeted as a political person. That's not a defence. That's a whiny-ass minge.
 

mandrill

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You obviously haven't seen the ticket prices. And any event showing in Toronto bars is a multicultural mix.
That's because they stack the bleachers close to Trump with Blacks and Latinos.

There are Trump-heads in the same sense that there used to be "Dead-heads" - people who followed the Grateful Dead around the country to be part of the carnival ethos. One of my female relatives married a dude whose parents obsess about Trump and follow him around. They continually buy Trump souvenirs and do whatever Trump tells them. They're unsophisticated. The dad's an ex traffic cop who's retired. And it's what they do to make them feel involved and busy.
 
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Listen Skoob, I disputed your theory when you came up with this statement in the first place:



Where was there any evidence to protesters in the first place to that statement of yours? Of course you as a biased right winger will take any opportunity to blast a Democrat based on what a few protesters chant. My point is that there has been zero evidence to back up that statement of yours. Whereas, Trump has been criminally convicted in a Court of Law. Big difference.......okay!!

The second statement of yours that the Democrats "weaponizing the justice system against him" is once again FAKE and A HUGE LIE spread by the Far Right propaganda!!

Prove that is a fact as well?
A few protesters?
"Genocide Joe" has been adopted by more than just a few protesters. You can stop making excuses now.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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CNN lawyer lays out his reasons why these charges was politically motivated: https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-l...ed-law-case-unjustified-mess?dicbo=v2-pYvzQSt

1. The judge donated money — a tiny amount, $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind — to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation, including funds that the judge earmarked for ‘resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy.

2. Bragg ran for office by "touting his Trump-hunting prowess" in the deeply blue county. Honig, who noted Bragg and Trump attorney Todd Blanche are both his friends and former colleagues, also said Bragg regularly made false claims about Trump on the campaign trail.

3. Honig declared the charges against Trump are "obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented." "In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever,"

4. The statute of limitations on a misdemeanor had long passed, so the DA needed to "inflate the charges" to a low-level felony.

5. The timing. Why did he bring these charges 9 months before the election instead of of in 2016 when the offence occurred??

Honig then concludes the case should be dubbed the "Frankenstein Case" because it was "cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator."
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Nothing wrong with it being politically motivated
Actually there is. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal for all.
So when you prosecute someone because you dont like them for their politics while not prosecuting others, the DA and the judge in this case broke the oath they took before taking office


EDIT: oh and thank you for admitting this case was politically motivated
 
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It does when Trump is guilty of committing crime after crime after crime. He was charged with misappropriating campaign funds to hide an affair to mislead voters. He was charged for taking documents and refusing to give them back. He is charged with trying to steal an election. I don't understand how any of his crimes relate to anyone else. Plus he was indicted by a grand jury and convicted by a jury of his peers, NOT BY BIDEN OR THE STATE.
1) He was not charged with misappropriating campaign funds. He was charged with falsifying business records. Paying hush money is a legitimate business expense and happens quite frequently. Trump can argue he was protecting his brand. This conviction will be overturned.
2) Every POTUS takes documents. Trump wasn't refusing to give them back.
3) You can't steal something that you legitimately won.
 

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I’ve read the same. Most of Trump’s supporters will stick with him but there are some who will not. I recall seeing a poll that found 17% of Trump voters will not vote for him if found guilty in this trial- not a huge number but in a close election it could be the difference between winning and losing.
^^^^^^^^^^
OMG... 14 pages of people talking about Trump. LOL!!!

Yes... I tend to be more Liberal in my way of thinking but I can also see the big picture.

There is no question, unless Biden does something that takes centre stage, democrats will be re-elected. Your soft, religious Republicans and independents will not vote for a criminal.
 

mandrill

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1) He was not charged with misappropriating campaign funds. He was charged with falsifying business records. Paying hush money is a legitimate business expense and happens quite frequently. Trump can argue he was protecting his brand. This conviction will be overturned.
2) Every POTUS takes documents. Trump wasn't refusing to give them back.
3) You can't steal something that you legitimately won.
Let's just take #1:

Paying hush money is NOT a "legitimate expense". Where do you get this from?... And even if it is, the crime is mis-describing it and falsifying the records. Presumably, if Trump simply recorded it as "I gave my sleazebag gopher Cohen $xxx to shut the mouth of one of my sex partners", there would be no crime.

Why this should be a business expense and not a personal payoff made by Trump from a personal account is a valid question. The company didn't benefit from the payoff and - unlike a bribe to a third world leader, for instance - it wasn't paid to secure a business advantage. At best, it's Trump paying a personal leisure charge from his business account and then mis labelling it. Sort of like you buy a new bedroom suite for your home and then debit your business account and call it "capital expenses". Which would be a crime, as well.

#2 - Yeah, he hid that shit and refused to give it back.
#3 - He lost the election, Kirk. There are 70 or 80 judges who heard those cases and said Trump was full of shit. It's sad you still believe Trump's horseshit. Very, very sad.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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He doesn't disagree that Trump committed a crime
Let me ask you something, do you think its right if a white person doesnt get arrested for marijauana possession in a State where MJ is illegal, but a black person does get arrested??

Thats a very simple question. Please answer with yes or no
 

Gooseifur

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Let's discuss this.

There is 2 centuries of stereotyping of Blacks as violent and lazy which affects jury perceptions.

Trump may not be liked in New York, but no one is stereotyping Trump as anything in particular. So your simile doesn't work.

Just out of curiosity - What was Trump's actual defence in the hush money trial?..... I don't think he had one, did he?

He just whined about how unfair it all was and that he was targeted as a political person. That's not a defence. That's a whiny-ass minge.
Well wasn't Trump sterotyped for years as being a criminal by the left and media despite never being convicted of a crime. His defense was that he didn't know about the business records. That is was his team that did it without his knowledge. Not a great defense, I agree but if he was the micromanager Cohen made him out to be how did he not notice the 30k Cohen stole?
 

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That's because they stack the bleachers close to Trump with Blacks and Latinos.

There are Trump-heads in the same sense that there used to be "Dead-heads" - people who followed the Grateful Dead around the country to be part of the carnival ethos. One of my female relatives married a dude whose parents obsess about Trump and follow him around. They continually buy Trump souvenirs and do whatever Trump tells them. They're unsophisticated. The dad's an ex traffic cop who's retired. And it's what they do to make them feel involved and busy.
 
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