They aren’t cheap, but if Shapiro , Atkins and whoever the jays lackey manager may be under those two clowns are still calling the shots at this point, either Rogers just doesn’t give a fuck, or they just can’t admit to failure so they keep throwing good money after bad.
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Blue Jays Fan Goes Viral For Taking A 110 MPH Bo Bichette Foul Ball Off The Forehead And Taking It Like A Champ Even Though She Didn't Even Get To Keep The Ball
The #1 rule of going to any baseball game is to keep your head on a swivel for foul balls. You just have to since ya never know when someone like Bo Bichette will hit a screamer over the net and nail ...
That's hog wash. Anyone that thinks they're not trying to win championship is just being foolish. Jobs are the line it's hard to win in this league, especially for the Jays who have some distinct disadvantages of being in Canada. As much blame as we want to throw at Shatkins, like many GM's you catch a few lucky breaks and we're not having this conversation. I truly believe in 2021 when they missed the playoffs by one game, had they gotten in they would have had a real shot at it as they were the hottest team in MLB the last few months. The biggest problem they have is Vlad never panned out with the exception of that 2021 year I just mentioned. If Vlad had of replicated his 2021 season or came close to it, this a completely different team.
You think they sit around at the board meetings going "okay guys, put together a team that's mediocre and here's 226 million do it". Doesn't matter how you slice it, winning a championship is good for business and the people they hired are trying to make that happen. They are just failing at it and it's time to give someone else a chance.
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I just hope this team doesn’t go into panic mode and start dealing Guerrero and Bichette. I say lock them up for three years each and let them hit the market as free agents when they are 29ish. Gives them a chance to further prove themselves and reap the rewards. I know many people are frustrated with Guerrero… But he is so talented. I do not agree with trading him.
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Yeah, if only Joey Votto hadn't stepped on a bat after homering in his only Blue Jays at bat...
The Jays are not TRYING to win a championship. They are HOPING to.
Look at the Blue Jays current roster. Do they have a better team than in 2023, 2022 or 2021? Do you think Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Justin Turner and Daniel Vogelbach were the missing pieces for a championship contender?
The window of opportunity has closed. If the Jays want to seriously contend for a championship, they need to sell the assets which can yield 'not ready for prime time' talent, because, realistically, they don't have any players right now who will produce more when they get older. Improving a team isn't enough. You need to improve significantly more than your competition.
I don't expect them to do that. They would rather field a team which has a realistic opportunity to play .500 ball, year after year.
The board is too weak to rock the boat. They are too afraid to admit they hired the wrong people to manage the team. Too ashamed of their commitment to such a high payroll for an ineffective squad..
Now they have to deal with rumours of a conspiracy. At least it’s better than dealing with incompetence.
So that's your conclusion eh? They don't want to win a championship....lol. Okay.
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No they're not. There's a lot of moving parts going on. The reality is, Ross Atkins is only employed 8 months longer then he should have been at this point. Should have been fired at the end of the season. Other then that, the team was on the up and up and only looked like they were a piece or two away for the last few years. At the end of the day, all that's really happened is he spent the money on the wrong pieces and the guy they built the team around has played like shit the last few years. The board will "rock the boat" in the next month or so.
And despite all of the above, it's your opinion that they are actively trying to win the championship.
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Reading the debate between you guys, is about five times more exciting than watching the Blue Jays this year.
This team team is currently playing for Ross Atkins and his run prevention ego. His job is currently coasting on fumes.
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This team team is currently playing for Ross Atkins and his run prevention ego. His job is currently coasting on fumes.
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Can it get any worse, the Jays got shut out by the worst team in the AL.
Jethro Bodine is incensed, he's shopping around Vlady and Bo. Calling him Jethro Bodine is an insult to Max Baer Jr, he's more like the big sloppy cat in a Loony Tunes.
Breathe stupid breathe, you forgot to breathe again.
Jethro Bodine is incensed, he's shopping around Vlady and Bo. Calling him Jethro Bodine is an insult to Max Baer Jr, he's more like the big sloppy cat in a Loony Tunes.
Breathe stupid breathe, you forgot to breathe again.
100% they are trying. The team made the playoffs the last 2 years so progress was being made, but it's apparent now that many of the moves they've made aren't going to pan out so you'll finally see Atkins gone. Shapiro probably isn't going anywhere.
I think your really confusing "trying" and results. Other then teams going through a rebuild, there's not one GM in baseball that isn't trying to win a championship. I'm not sure who your blaming here, the GM or ownership. If your going to blame ownership that's pretty flawed too. Rogers has spent a lot of money on this club on things like payroll and PDC, believing in what Shapiro sold them on. If they weren't trying to win a championship, they would have a much lower payroll and wouldn't have invested into something like a player development complex. As I said, there's a lot moving parts and lot more going on that what the public gets to see.
If you want convince yourself they're not trying to win a championship, you can go a head an think that but it's pretty naive if you ask me. There's literally no reason or incentive for them to not try and win a championship. The results are a different conversation.
Trying to compete for a playoff spot and trying to win a championship are two different animals. A guy who builds his own business and a guy who buys a handful of scratch lottery tickets are both trying to get rich. Statistically, the first guy has better odds, unless he opened a restaurant.
Perhaps this team is only a few pieces away from serious contention, but there are no surpluses available to acquire those pieces, and the assets they have now are depreciating in value. A fire sale and a few consecutive years of tanking would improve their chances of winning later in this decade, but it would also reduce ticket sales and TV viewers, and team payroll would necessarily be reduced. Rogers won't outspend the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees, the best free agents want to play on a grass field, and there are no superstars in waiting on the farm.
Perhaps this team is only a few pieces away from serious contention, but there are no surpluses available to acquire those pieces, and the assets they have now are depreciating in value. A fire sale and a few consecutive years of tanking would improve their chances of winning later in this decade, but it would also reduce ticket sales and TV viewers, and team payroll would necessarily be reduced. Rogers won't outspend the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees, the best free agents want to play on a grass field, and there are no superstars in waiting on the farm.
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There’s rumblings now about them possibly dealing and rebuilding. Trading Guerrero and Bichette are humungous mistakes. I would worry about what surrounds them and maybe make some deals to put some better pieces around them. John Schneider saying “tip your hat” about last nights loss I think has some people upset. I know this team isn’t his fault, but I think he’s lost the room. After his decision to pull Jose Berrios in the playoffs, how can anyone take him seriously anymore. I know Matt Chapman and Whit Merrifield were disgusted. The whole blame game between Ross Atkins and John Schneider was pathetic. How are these people still here?
Something to keep in mind: Aaron Judge was 25 years old when he broke into the big leagues. Vladimir Guerrero is now 25 years old. They need to build around him. I really hope they don’t get rid of Guerrero and his 4 big home runs this year. Lol I think my grandmother would’ve had more home runs.
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Something to keep in mind: Aaron Judge was 25 years old when he broke into the big leagues. Vladimir Guerrero is now 25 years old. They need to build around him. I really hope they don’t get rid of Guerrero and his 4 big home runs this year. Lol I think my grandmother would’ve had more home runs.
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And when was the last time the Dodgers, Mets or Yankees won the WS ? Dodgers won it in a weird 2020 60 game COVID season that nobody is really taking seriously. Other then that, those teams have not won a WS since 2009 when the Yankees won it. That should give you an idea of how hard it is to win in this league.
